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Casio GP300/500 v Casio GP310/510
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When I was 11, a very long time ago, I was taken to the Dale Forty showroom to choose a better piano than my Dale Forty piano. I fancied the Bechstein, but I guess it was too expensive and I ended up with a Rogers, which didn't really push my buttons. So a couple of years ago, when I was choosing a new digital, I quite fancied the Casio GP range. Unfortunately, when I tried the 300 or 500, forget which, I was one of the ones which made the sort of criticisms that Casio seemed to have addressed in their latest update. But, maybe if I had seen the video that Tenor1 referred to, I might have adjusted things and been much happier. So I am rather wondering how much the new versions really differ from the old? Perhaps they have merely adjusted the default settings?

Maybe if someone could try out both they could enlighten us?


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You really like to stir things up, don’t you, Mr. Miles? But you know what, I’m not going down that rabbit hole again.

Casio GP is the best ‘digital’ ever built!

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Indeed, after all that catharsis and the emotional whirl we’ve been through in the last few days, with a clean mind and purged from all prejudice, it’s fair to say Casio GP pianos are not only hybrid but also the best digital pianos.


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CG ... a proper interpretation of that last bit won't be possible unless you suffix it with an emojie.

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I can’t edit my post anymore but I meant “the best digital pianos in the Casio line”. Apologies.


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There is a German online retailer, Bauer-Music, which tends to be really good at supplying official promotional recordings of the various sounds in instruments they sell. As yet they don't advertise the new generation of Casio GP's, but I expect that they will, and that they will provide recordings of them.

They have two recordings for each of the three piano voices in the first generation GP's:

https://www.bauer-music.de/casio-grand-hybrid-gp-500-bp-schwarz-hochglanz


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Originally Posted by Pete14
You really like to stir things up, don’t you, Mr. Miles? But you know what, I’m not going down that rabbit hole again.

Casio GP is the best ‘digital’ ever built!

I was hoping for a sensible reply. Bonners here in the UK have both GP's in store so if anyone can get to them perhaps they might try them out.


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Miles, it’s all friendly banter. smile

About the new models, it doesn’t seem like much was done. You’d probably be better off buying the outgoing model at a discount and running VSTs through the onboard speakers.
For all it’s worth, ‘blending’ the onboard piano with a VST can produce some interesting results. Of course, you’d need a VST capable of note-per-note intonation and perhaps even volume-control to perfectly match the two pianos (VST + on-board). There are a few of those out there, Pianoteq Pro is one of them. VSL pianos also allow for this, but these pianos are expensive and demanding on specs. I believe there’s a sampled Bechstein which allows for some note-per-note edits.

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Miles, it’s all friendly banter. smile



Indeed - never thought otherwise. But not interested in using a computer - spent over 50 years with them - and wasn't that impressed with Pianoteq. Just want a better sounding digital than what I have which I can just switch on and play. Or a bigger house where I can get an acoustic! I have emailed Bonners with my query just to see what they say. Not expecting much.

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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
... not interested in using a computer - spent over 50 years with them
Me, too!

Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Just want a better sounding digital than what I have which I can just switch on and play.
Me, too!

Originally Posted by Colin Miles
Or a bigger house where I can get an acoustic!
Me, too!

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A reply from Bonners.
'I have just spoken to a colleague who recently went to a Casio training day and heard the new models, and he said that he "didn't notice much difference except that they were definitely much louder!"


The lack of volume always was the main criticism, which I totally agree with, but it sounds like that issue has been sorted.'


To which I replied, £1100 better?


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Originally Posted by Pete14
Miles, it’s all friendly banter. smile

About the new models, it doesn’t seem like much was done. You’d probably be better off buying the outgoing model at a discount and running VSTs through the onboard speakers.


Ahh! Another ringing endorsement for the big Casios! . . . (grin)


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Do you guys realize these Casio's are not just hybrids, they are Grand Hybrids.


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You could compare the piano sound produced by the Casio GP-500 and the Casio GP-510 in these 2 videos:
---"S. Rachmaninoff: Prelude op. 23 no. 5 in g minor - Kateryna Titova - Celviano Grand Hybrid GP-500 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNRY2qOH5IM
---"L. v. Beethoven - Sonata No. 14, Op. 27 no. 2, movement 3 - Kateryna Titova on GP-510 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtp0TJlgnY
I am looking forward to reading your assessment of these 2 videos and possibly declare a clear winner.

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Originally Posted by Colin Miles
...Just want a better sounding digital than what I have...

Colin,

Getting a little tired of the LX-7? I still love mine but I have to admit the sound isn’t great. Honestly, it’s fine but just not great. I personally like Yamaha’s sampled sounds but I’m not fond of their actions. Still, I wouldn’t trade my Roland... unless the new Kawai NV5 will wow me.


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Originally Posted by SLQ
Originally Posted by Colin Miles
...Just want a better sounding digital than what I have...

Colin,

Getting a little tired of the LX-7? I still love mine but I have to admit the sound isn’t great. Honestly, it’s fine but just not great. I personally like Yamaha’s sampled sounds but I’m not fond of their actions. Still, I wouldn’t trade my Roland... unless the new Kawai NV5 will wow me.

It works well as a practice piano but it would be nice to have something with the same dynamic range, maybe an even better key action (I like the PH50A) and better sound. Yesterday I spent an hour and a half playing a Silent Yamaha B1 with headphones. This piano is apparently small enough for my dealer to get it upstairs. The action is ok but I don't think it is an improvement, and certainly not up to Steinway standard. As for the sound, I only played the default Concert Grand, it was ok, but as I can't remember what it sounded like it obviously didn't push any buttons!

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Any feedback on which piano sound you find is the better one for these 2 Casio Hybrid Grand Pianos: the GP-510 (the recent "upgrade" that was released around September 2019) and the GP-500 (the 4-year old version)? Thanks for your feedback.
---"S. Rachmaninoff: Prelude op. 23 no. 5 in g minor - Kateryna Titova - Celviano Grand Hybrid GP-500 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNRY2qOH5IM
---"L. v. Beethoven - Sonata No. 14, Op. 27 no. 2, movement 3 - Kateryna Titova on GP-510 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtp0TJlgnY

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Originally Posted by MikePianoLover
Any feedback on which piano sound you find is the better one for these 2 Casio Hybrid Grand Pianos: the GP-510 (the recent "upgrade" that was released around September 2019) and the GP-500 (the 4-year old version)? Thanks for your feedback.
---"S. Rachmaninoff: Prelude op. 23 no. 5 in g minor - Kateryna Titova - Celviano Grand Hybrid GP-500 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNRY2qOH5IM
---"L. v. Beethoven - Sonata No. 14, Op. 27 no. 2, movement 3 - Kateryna Titova on GP-510 - YouTube" at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtp0TJlgnY

The 510 'sings' better, but pity she didn't play the same piece as it might have enabled a more accurate comparison. I certainly like the sound better than other digitals though whether I will think the same when I actually get to play one of these is another matter.


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It's interesting that in many such videos they've recorded the piano line output instead of the piano itself.
Does every piano maker wish to hide the sound of his piano speakers?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
It's interesting that in many such videos they've recorded the piano line output instead of the piano itself.
Does every piano maker wish to hide the sound of his piano speakers?


Yes.


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