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Mozart’s D Minor Concerto #2892444
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I was wondering if anyone would like to share any experiences, tips for learning, or anything at all about the D Minor concerto. Thanks!

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Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2892452
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Just one suggestion - avoid Luddy's cadenza at all costs wink .

Try Hummel, Alkan, Brahms, Clara S,..............even Busoni thumb

(FWIW, I play my own.)


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Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2892465
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Because it’s overused?

Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2892469
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Originally Posted by MizuiroNinja
Because it’s overused?

Yes......and too Beethovenian.

In all my very long life, I've only ever heard someone else's cadenza (Hummel's) once - and that was only because they were actually playing Hummel's chamber arrangement of the concerto (where the pianist also plays some of the orchestral part).


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Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2892475
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What about the piece did you find most challenging? I’m having trouble playing the broken octaves accurately without hitting 2 keys at the same time.

Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2892698
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Originally Posted by MizuiroNinja
What about the piece did you find most challenging? I’m having trouble playing the broken octaves accurately without hitting 2 keys at the same time.

The whole concerto is challenging, but I learnt K467 before this one, and I think this is easier. As Luddy (and Wolfie) never wrote any cadenza for K467, I also wrote my own.......

I didn't find the broken octaves too difficult because I'd already played many pieces using them (Rondo alla turca was probably the first, Pathétique sonata the second).


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Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2892774
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I think my problem is my arm tenses up too much when playing them.

Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2892779
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Originally Posted by MizuiroNinja
I think my problem is my arm tenses up too much when playing them.


Do you use wrist rotation to play them? That usually takes care of the tension in my experience.

Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2893237
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I’ve been trying to use forearm rotation

Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2893283
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What about using the Beethoven Cadenza ?

Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2893286
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My Italian piano teacher was rumored to have played this concerto for Mussolini as a child prodigy ?
I always wanted to ask her ,but I know she was traumatized by her experience in the war.So I am not
sure I shall ever know for certain now?
Interesting story though !

Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2893328
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That is a very interesting story. Mitsuko Uchida is my idol so I Study her video on YouTube to see if I can figure out what she is doing

Re: Mozart’s D Minor Concerto [Re: MizuiroNinja] #2893519
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I always suggest" rotary freedom " to guard against any" artificial movements" not related to the music !


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