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Some piano VSTs at a big discount
#2892393 09/20/19 03:58 PM
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I keep an eye on the two websites below, in case there are some good offerings. First, there is something called RealSamples.

https://audioplugin.deals/deal-2/

Honestly I don't know much about these piano samples, so get them at your own risk.

Disclaimer! Full version of Kontakt required, didn't notice at first, sorry about that.

I know a bit more about the other one, Sonivox Eighty Eight Ensemble.

https://www.audiodeluxe.com/products/sonivox-eighty-eight-ensemble-2

Don't know about the playability, but for $14,99 maybe it's worth the risk. Might be something for those with a very tight budget.

Disclaimer! A host application needed, a DAW, like Pro Tools, but it probably works in Reaper, not sure though.

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I have a couple of the realsamples pianos and quite honestly they're more or less unplayable. It's a shame because they're unique in terms of the historical instruments sampled, and while the instruments are in a somewhat original condition (i.e. not pristinely restored, for better or worse) and the sampling rather unimpressive, the overall sound is not too bad, if a bit distant. But the limitations of the instruments together with the sampling unfortunately make them largely unplayable in my view. If you really need an early keyboard instrument sample (i.e. earlier than the late 19th century) and can't tolerate the Pianoteq/Kremsegg collection models (which are actually not bad in limited doses) then you might find a use for these, but otherwise I'd skip them.

Don't know the other one you posted at all, so can't comment.


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Sonivox Eighty Eight is a steal at $14.99. Quite a deeply sampled (16 velocity layers I think) older NY Steinway Model D (an ex-touring piano of Peter Serkin I think) and the space in which they captured the piano (a converted Masonic Hall) really gives life to the tone - lots of 'air'. I have well over 90 sampled pianos (yeah, I know!) including 10 of the big name sampled Steinway Model Ds, and the Sonivox Eighty Eight gets plenty of use.


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TheodorN #2892708 09/21/19 01:32 PM
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Grabbed the Sonivox, waiting for the license. Will let you know how it plays and sounds.


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The only problem I have with all these sample based VST-s is they don’t support repedaling. Let alone half-pedaling. I understand that this might not be required by some people if they have not learned on an acoustic and if they play modern styles or use the VST for creating music such as film music, etc but for playing piano in real time and especially classical music it’s a total no go. IMO.


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Good point, important features to have, as well as release samples, which for example the Waves Grand Rhapsody doesn't have, and it makes it sound very funny.

Still don't get why you say all these VSTs don't support half pedalling and re-pedalling. Some of them do, like the Garritan CFX, which we both have. AcousticSamples C7 and Production Grand 2 Gold both have the named features.

Therefore, as I have some piano VSTs that support half pedalling and re-pedalling, it's not as important for me that the Sonivox doesn't, and I got it mostly out of curiosity, at a ridiculous price.

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Sure, by “these VST-s” I mean the lesser known ones. I know the big guns support repedaling and half-pedaling.


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OK I thought you meant the lesser known/rated ones. As a side note, a little rant, don't understand why it takes SONiVOX so long to process my license. Was hoping to play a little with the instrument tonight, but will be too sleepy soon, if my license doesn't arrive in the next hour or so.

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Originally Posted by Craig Richards
Sonivox Eighty Eight is a steal at $14.99.

Anyone know if it runs on Windows 10? The current version does (2.5?), but they have not answered my question about whether this older version does.

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I see this as a requirement for the SONiVox.


A VST or AAX (Pro Tools 11, 12) compatible host application


I do not know what that means.


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Dmd it means it does not include an application of it's own, in which it can run by itself.

Garritan CFX runs in it's own application, as well as Ivory American Concert D. Galaxy Vintage D runs in the free Kontakt Player.

This is not possible for Sonivox 88 Ensemble. It needs to be opened in a digital audio workstation, a DAW.

Anotherscott I run the Sonivox in Reaper (which is a DAW, explanation to dmd) in Windows 10 and it runs just fine.


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Originally Posted by TheodorN
Dmd it means it does not include an application of it's own, in which it can run by itself.

Garritan CFX runs in it's own application, as well as Ivory American Concert D. Galaxy Vintage D runs in the free Kontakt Player.

This is not possible for Sonivox 88 Ensemble. It needs to be opened in a digital audio workstation, a DAW.

Anotherscott I run the Sonivox in Reaper (which is a DAW, explanation to dmd) in Windows 10 and it runs just fine.


I have the full version of Kontakt 5. That should be fine ?


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Originally Posted by TheodorN
Sonivox 88 Ensemble. It needs to be opened in a digital audio workstation, a DAW.

Anotherscott I run the Sonivox in Reaper (which is a DAW, explanation to dmd) in Windows 10 and it runs just fine.

Thanks for confirming it runs in Win 10.

To add to your explanation, the fact that a VST doesn't run on its own doesn't mean it necessarily needs a DAW, but it does need a Host. All DAWs are hosts, but you can also get Hosts that are not DAWs, like Gig Performer and Cantabile. Cantabile has a free lite version which is fine if you just need it to simply play a VST.

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I don't think Sonivox will run in Kontakt. If it's a VST package it will need a VST host.
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Dmd it means it does not include an application of it's own, in which it can run by itself.

Garritan CFX runs in it's own application, as well as Ivory American Concert D. Galaxy Vintage D runs in the free Kontakt Player.

This is not possible for Sonivox 88 Ensemble. It needs to be opened in a digital audio workstation, a DAW.

Anotherscott I run the Sonivox in Reaper (which is a DAW, explanation to dmd) in Windows 10 and it runs just fine.
I have the full version of Kontakt 5. That should be fine ?

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Thanks for the more detailed explanations, anotherscott and MacMacMac. Nothing to add to them, really.

Didn't know this about being able to use those other hosts, which are not exactly DAWs, good to know for those who don't own Reaper, Pro Tools, or any other DAW.

Maybe we can say that the Sonivox is an example of a VSTi that can't be run in a sampler? Like Kontakt 5/Player, UVI workstation, Sforzando Player? There may be others, but these are the ones I know and for which I own VSTis.

Then I might be mixing up concepts, and these applications are called platforms or sample players, except Kontakt 5 full, which I know is a sampler. I'm still learning about all this.🙂

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Sonivox doesn’t run in a sampler : it is a bundle containing a sample library and its player. The player part is loaded as a VST.

Garritan CFX is the same : it is also a library and its player bundle. (The player is based on Aria technology like SForzando)

Most other libraries are separated from its player, then you install the player once and install multiple libraries which are compatible with the player. Ivory has its own player, EWQL has its own player, many others use either UVI/Workstation or Kontakt full or player.

Note : There are 3 differences between Kontakt full and Kontakt player : Kontakt player can only load libraries approved by Native-Instrument (many are approved, but Fluffy my piano isn’t for example), Kontakt full permits the creation and the modification of a library, Kontakt full is sold with an important library.

The Wikipedia sampler definition seems to includes simple sample players. “A sampler is an electronic or digital musical instrument which uses sound recordings (or "samples") of real instrument sounds (e.g., a piano, violin or trumpet), excerpts from recorded songs [...] The samples are loaded or recorded by the user or by a manufacturer.”

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As I understand it, Kontakt is not a host, except, in a sense, for Kontakt-specific instruments.

If you want to run a VST that does not come with its own standalone playing environment, you need a VST host. AFAIK, every modern DAW includes a VST host function, but there are also VST Hosts that are not DAWs.

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This was not always the case. I used to run Sonivox Harpsichord. It was a standalone.
I stopped using it because it wouldn't run on Windows 10. frown
It's too bad that other Sonivox products don't have a standalone option.
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Sonivox doesn’t run in a sampler : it is a bundle containing a sample library and its player. The player part is loaded as a VST.

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
AFAIK, every modern DAW includes a VST host function, but there are also VST Hosts that are not DAWs.


Protools is not VST compatible, it uses its own interface (AAX). Logic Pro X uses its own interface too (Audio-Unit).

Studio-One Prime supports no tier plugins and Studio-One Artists needs you to buy an extension to support VST and Audio-Unit.


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