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Rosewood - CITES Requirement Changes #2892311
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Rules for shipping instruments containing rosewood have been loosened up a bit.
From an article in The Music Trades Magazine

THE MUSICAL INSTRUMENT industry cheered when the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES) voted at its 18th Congress of Parties held August 18 in Geneva, Switzerland to dramatically reduce the permit requirements for cross-border shipments of instruments containing rosewood. The move effectively reversed a 2016 ruling that required securing an export permit for every instrument exported by manufacturers, as well as instruments carried across national borders for personal use.


Under the newly approved revisions to "Annotation 15," which covers trade in rosewood, instrument manufacturers will still be required to secure CITES permits for all unfinished imported rosewood logs, boards, and veneers. However, completed instruments, instrument parts, and accessories can now be shipped globally without the need for any CITES paperwork. Individuals will also be able to transport their instruments across borders without the need for permits.

In one of the rare instances when the organization actually reduced permitting, the CITES vote was prompted when instrument makers and associations including NAMM, the League of American Orchestras, CAFIM, the European music industry umbrella group, the International Association of Violin and Bow Makers, and the French Musical Instrument Association lobbied CITES to revise Annotation 15 for the past three years. Global customs organizations, overburdened by the permitting requirements, also advocated for streamlining the rosewood rules. In the U.S. alone, the 2016 regulations swamped the Fish and Wildlife Service, as CITES permit requests more than tripled to 60,000 annually.
The CITES rosewood regulations were abruptly put into place in January 2017, taking the music industry by surprise and significantly slowing global trade in guitars, woodwinds, and various stringed instruments as manufacturers scrambled to develop compliance protocols. Larger producers including Fender, Gibson, Martin, and Taylor had the scale to manage the new permitting requirements, but still struggled. Frank Untermyer, supply chain director at Martin Guitars, said the administrative burden on his company "could not be overstated." Scott Paul, director of natural resource sustainability at Taylor Guitars, added that the rosewood regulation was hastily drafted and caused bureaucracies around the world to issue "an obscene amount of permits." Many smaller manufacturers and individual luthiers simply abandoned export markets.

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Re: Rosewood - CITES Requirement Changes [Re: Piano World] #2892328
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Interesting news! Thanks for sharing.

Raw material inputs does seem like the logical place to target oversight of something like this. After all, if the inputs to production are ok, then certainly the finished products are too.



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Re: Rosewood - CITES Requirement Changes [Re: Piano World] #2892333
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Still no announcement of new regulations out of U.S. Fish and Wildlife, however.

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Thanks for sharing.


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Re: Rosewood - CITES Requirement Changes [Re: Piano World] #2892433
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The bird population has dropped by 3 billion since since the last
50 years ? We are all guilty !

Re: Rosewood - CITES Requirement Changes [Re: Piano World] #2892470
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The 3 billion Bird loss is in North America only !

Re: Rosewood - CITES Requirement Changes [Re: iLaw] #2892533
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Originally Posted by iLaw
Still no announcement of new regulations out of U.S. Fish and Wildlife, however.

No, I don't think CITES is binding in the U.S. on it's own.



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Re: Rosewood - CITES Requirement Changes [Re: Piano World] #2892534
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The original dampers of my 1923 Mason & Hamlin are made of rosewood. Some people may have rosewood in their piano without realizing it.

I once worked on a Knabe grand that looked like it was rosewood, but it was actually mahogany with false graining.


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Re: Rosewood - CITES Requirement Changes [Re: Piano World] #2892626
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They used to use Rosewood to make nice German Baroque recorders (flutes) but now they use
what they call " Pallisander Rosewood.," I think from South America.
I know someone with a genuine Rosewood recorder, but she cannot take it out of Canada.
My Mollenhauer Alto recorder is made of South American Boxwood. Used Ebony recorders are still
sold ,but they now use Granadilla wood recorders, which are as hard as Ebony.The harder the wood
the more powerful the sound.This is important for softer flutes like recorders.
The recorder was the flute often used in Bach and Handel's music.
Ebony may still be used as well in recorder making.

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