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Charles Walter Question? #2892165
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Would a 1997 Walter absolutely have a Langer action? I think Renner actions were optional, and there was also a Walter action, but on later models. Is that correct?



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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: Retsacnal] #2892169
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That sounds right to me. I do know the so-called Walter action (sourced in Asia) doesn't arrive on the scene until 10+ years after that.


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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: terminaldegree] #2892329
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Thanks, TD. I wonder if that's the same time Renner started to be optional.



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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: Retsacnal] #2892359
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I believe in 1997 it would have been a Langer action by Herrberger Brooks. They went to Renner when Herrberger Brooks went out. BTW, at that time S&S uprights made in the USA also used Herrberger Brooks.

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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892511
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Thanks, Rich. From searching online a bit I get the impression that it was a pretty good action, which I guess would be consistent with Steinway using it.

The company seems to have history of mergers between a number of companies in various European countries. ??

Were they made in England?



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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: Retsacnal] #2892573
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal


Were they made in England?


Yes they were. I had an ambition of visiting their factory, but I waited too long.


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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: Rich Galassini] #2892896
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
Originally Posted by Retsacnal


Were they made in England?


Yes they were.


Thanks, Rich.

Originally Posted by Rich Galassini
I had an ambition of visiting their factory, but I waited too long.

Sadly, time stands still for no one.



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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: Retsacnal] #2893499
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
From searching online a bit I get the impression that it was a pretty good action, which I guess would be consistent with Steinway using it.


I acquired a '97 Walter 1520 last year and the action is a Langer 80. I can confirm it is indeed a fine action; I have found no fault with it. The mechanics are tight and silent, and the touch is very responsive.

The only issue I can even think of is that the letoff distance was set quite high (~0.5in) when I first acquired the instrument. My tech was able to remedy that during the initial workover I had him perform.

I don't know much about the history of the action, but if you are considering a Walter I think it would be a mistake to consider the Langer action as a drawback. I had read on the Internet that the Renners were superior and even that the Langers were to be avoided, but I've been very pleased with the Langer. I'm glad I trusted my own initial impressions.

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I didn't intend to give the impression that I consider the Langer to be a drawback. To the contrary, I said "I get the impression that it was a pretty good action." I didn't do a lot of research, but I did not encounter anything that said it was to be avoided.



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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: Retsacnal] #2893718
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I might have suggested that the Renner action was the better option, had my opinion been required. But, that was based on playing pianos on the floor at Carnes Piano (gone now, alas), where I bought my Kawai grand. They had in the neighborhood of 20 Walter uprights (a mix of 1500 and 1520s, just different cases on the same piano) on the floor, and one, but not both, of the Walter grands. And, some trade-ins came through. Oh, that little ebony polish 1500 that came along one Christmas--- how did I let that one get away?

My general impression of the Langer actions was, 'loose and a little too easy, but acceptable' (I know how that sounds, and it's not what I mean--- and shame on you). The more firm Renner actions that came through, I personally liked them better and felt that they offered more possibility of adjustment. Another couple of grand worth better? Well, for me, yes. For your kid, who knows. And now that I have been spoiled by the Kawai action, who cares? Nah, I don't really mean that. I do still care.

Following how the Langer (Herrberger Brooks) held up over the years, or how they might be more carefully adjusted to remedy their drawbacks (which every action has, and every player has), was not something that was really available. Wry Guy gives some very useful data points, and thanks also retnascal, terminaldegree, and Rich.

Who could believe it? Wiki has nothing--- nothing--- about any of the action makers' names. Not Renner, not Herrberger Brooks or Herberger Brooks, not Langer, not Langer 80. It would seem that a more specialized reference is required. And I'm out of gas.


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Re: Charles Walter Question? [Re: Jeff Clef] #2893939
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just to add my 2 cents here:

Originally Posted by Jeff Clef

My general impression of the Langer actions was, 'loose and a little too easy, but acceptable ....

Following how the Langer (Herrberger Brooks) held up over the years, or how they might be more carefully adjusted to remedy their drawbacks (which every action has, and every player has), was not something that was really available.


Jeff Clef,

Thanks for the comment. The Langer (made by H-B) was quite a well built action. I would opine (Do you like that word?) that the newer Walter pianos with the Renner actions were well regulated and perhaps the older pianos with H-B actions were not.


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