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How to present yourself.... #2892108
09/19/19 06:48 PM
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I want to make sure I'm doing all I can to present myself in the best light when I meet my customer for the first time (or the fifth time for that matter). I think they have to feel safe with you and also maybe see you are more than competent to handle the job at hand. Perhaps the way you dress might be a factor and also that you are not phoney. Things like that I suppose.

Anyway, so my question to you all is: "....what are the positive ways to a customer's heart?" What have you found that presents the best side of "YOU" for that hour or two you are in your customer's presence?

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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: Duaner] #2892160
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Duane,

Dress in a professional manner

Wipe your feet or remove your shoes (wear good socks)

Be polite, courteous and fully honest

Don't promise more than you can deliver

Don't do too many free things. Professionals get paid for their time and expertise. One freebie per visit is okay (maybe)

Do a VERY good job

If ever there is a problem be quick to address it (even if you have to go out of your way to do so)

If you make a mistake, admit it and fix it

My .02

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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: Duaner] #2892161
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Attitude:
Display professional self-assurance, but NOT arrogance (knowing the difference is a huge problem for some)… I knew a tuner who, upon entering a new client’s home, began to inform the person about all that he saw them having done wrong with the instrument (from position in room to multiple other problems), and that if they did not resolve it, he would not be coming back to tune for them again. I am sure he felt he was covering himself- so as not to have call-backs blaming him for a bad tuning that went out so fast. But, this was A VERY POOR decision in approach, to say the least!
Kindness, a quiet-nature, with a humble-attitude about ones-self ("let another praise you, and not thyself"-- they will if you are good at your work)- these characteristics go a looooong way in naturally making good impressions (and for good reason).

Take yourself (and your profession) SERIOUSLY:
I generally wear a nice clean, crisp white long-sleeve dress shirt (button that top button) with black dockers, and nice shoes. Yet however to actually bring myself to the point of a tie (but, that might lend to respect even more so???).
Oh, and either KEEP the mug shaved, or grow that stubble into a neatly maintained beard!
Don't go out looking like a San Francisco street bum, or worst yet--- a piano mover! laugh he-he
Just teasing you all out there-- as I move pianos too.

Be IMFORMATIVE:
Be up-front (but not unkindly blunt about what the client's instrument may need — don’t call it “junk”!--- at least not right away, until you know whether it was their great-grandmother's or not wink
Informative does not mean trying to sell them a bunch of work. I never try to sell the client something that is not of an absolute necessity to them (regulation work, restoration, climate-controls, what-have-you)… Sales pushiness, or even multiple sales-pitches are derfinitely a sure way to get a bad impression brewing. So, just simple, honest, up-front, informative.
One of the biggest things in being informative is being able to draw the client into being involved in the instrument’s care and maintenance— show them the problems in a way they can see what is happening, explaining and informing in a way that clients will be able to see and understand (clear and concise--- not necessarily in our tech language). One needs to be able to explain (without the long-windedness and technical language) what the problem is and what the options are that are available. I usually list the options from cheapest to most expensive.

Oh, and don't be overly outgoing:
You're there to provide a professional service, not a hired companionship smile
Many times if the tuner starts trying to chat-it-up with their client, the client will feel required (out of politeness) to hear it out and add to the chat too. This is a bad idea, as it wastes a lot of time— and to no one’s enjoyment, except perhaps an oblivious tuner that is. Let the client(s) start any chatty atmosphere, if there is to be one. IOW give the client the lead there. Don’t get me wrong on this though--- many is the time I have spent more than an hour chatting with clients who were very kind, and have gone on to developed an enjoyable close professional relationships with them (but, everything should be in its time and place- not forced).

Anyway, others will add to all of this I’m sure—if not disagree LOL
I need to get off to sleep.
Night!


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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: Duaner] #2892162
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LOL Peter. Sheesh, you said all I said in 50 words! :P
Yet you only beat me by 1 minute------ you must be slow at typing wink


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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: Duaner] #2892237
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Rick, yes...one finger typing does go pretty slow...and then I also have to fight with the autocorrect that changes things beyond just spelling errors. ☺

Duane,

Another thing (unless I missed it)...your first impression begins one the phone or text or email (however you initially interact with the client. That too should be dignified.

Pwg


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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: Duaner] #2892242
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From a client’s perspective:

return your phone calls/texts in a timely manner. If it takes you three calls to return the call, you are on the edge of losing a client. Be on time or call if you will be late.

Be informative: when I told my tech that I wanted to understand more, he cheerfully and concisely explained and continues to explain/show. I will never tune my own piano...... but I want to understand how it works, just like you would like your physician to explain.

Don’t be afraid to make recommendations in a non-judgemental way. We are paying for your expertise. I do agree to choose the timing: when you first walk in the door would not be best. Explain as ‘what would be best for your piano is..,,’ not what the client has done wrong.

Clothing: I don’t expect a white button down shirt but just decent jeans and a decent shirt. That's just me.

One thing that really impressed me about my tech the first time he tuned my new-to-me grand: we agreed he would clean it for xxx money. When we opened the lid and removed the action, we both saw it was beyond the standard dirt. He never said ‘oh, I’ll need to raise my price’ as soon as he saw it. He never complained. We cleaned (yes, I helped) and I voluntarily paid him the equivalent of two cleanings. I really appreciated that he didn’t complain and demand more money.

I’ve never had a problem where there was an identified problem after service. If I did, I would expect my tech to really listen and treat my concern with respect. Yes, make the call-back appt a priority in scheduling.

Love my tech and I have referred several clients to him.


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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: Duaner] #2892256
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You could make audio and video recordings of yourself to find out what you sound and look like to your customers. Hearing your own voice on a tape recorder or seeing your own facial expressions will likely be surprising, but that's what the customer hears and sees. You could videotape yourself at home while you're on the phone to not only hear how you sound, but what your facial expressions communicate. Most smartphones make it easy to record your voice during a conversation without recording the other person. If you want to pursue it, find an acting coach to help you get the outside of your body in synch with the inside. Normally they teach people how to pretend they're something they're not, but they're just as good at helping you communicate what you really are.

You could also get an idea how you come across to other people by having a good friend read a couple dozen of your posts here on the forum. Everyone has a meltdown once in awhile, but if they say you tend to sound angry or arrogant or whatever, it's likely your customers are hearing some of that too.

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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: Gerry Johnston] #2892301
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Originally Posted by Gerry Johnston
Pat the dog if it's friendly, smile at the kids.


And in this day and age (I should not need to be explicit) do NOT get TOO friendly with the kid(s). Be kind, answer a question or two, but then get back to work, even if the child persists in wanting to know more, you need to retain a professional "barrier" here so that no "wrong impressions" are created.

And...NEVER...EVER allow a child to sit on the bench next to you (even if the parent permits). Hopefully, no further explanation need be given here. If the situation becomes uncomfortable do your work standing up, or make some excuse as to why you need to have the whole bench available.

It is also useful to remember that the possibility exists that all your actions are being recorded. A reality we face today.

Pwg


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Stable unisons that won't go out of tune, action that works well and sticky notes voiced, might ensure your next appointment.

Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: Rick_Parks] #2892308
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Just wondering if there's something distinctive about the "street bums" from San Francisco, as opposed to those from other cities and towns.


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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: mha9] #2892326
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Originally Posted by mha9
Just wondering if there's something distinctive about the "street bums" from San Francisco, as opposed to those from other cities and towns.


If I had a tech or teacher who asked such an off-the- wall question in the middle of another conversation, I would be concerned and would be looking for a replacement.


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Re: How to present yourself.... [Re: mha9] #2892330
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Originally Posted by mha9
Just wondering if there's something distinctive about the "street bums" from San Francisco, as opposed to those from other cities and towns.

Not to drift away from topic--- but, YES.
From the things I'm seeing out of SF I would say they probably take the prize (shooting it up and leaving needles everywhere...defecating in the streets...Need I say more?). I don't remember any street bums from Boston or DC or Baltimore doing this....But, then it's been a while since I was in those cities--- perhaps things changed LOL I think we have the classy ones out here on the east coast-- so, it would not have fit to say 'street bums from Boston'!
Shall I start a new thread on street bums? wink


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About 35 years ago, I was working at a show in San Francisco, and after I finished tuning, someone who looked like a street person wandered onto the stage. I was not security, so I figured he might have been someone working at the show, and if he were not, someone else could take care of it. Then he began singing some Bach counterpoint. The guy's name was McFerrin. Perhaps you have heard of him.

It is very important not to make assumptions when you are working. Even assumptions about cities. More often than not, they turn out to be unwarranted.


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Originally Posted by Duaner
I want to make sure I'm doing all I can to present myself in the best light when I meet my customer for the first time (or the fifth time for that matter). I think they have to feel safe with you and also maybe see you are more than competent to handle the job at hand. Perhaps the way you dress might be a factor and also that you are not phoney. Things like that I suppose.

Anyway, so my question to you all is: "....what are the positive ways to a customer's heart?" What have you found that presents the best side of "YOU" for that hour or two you are in your customer's presence?

gipsy radio is the best variant for all times, i'm think

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Originally Posted by BDB
About 35 years ago, I was working at a show in San Francisco, and after I finished tuning, someone who looked like a street person wandered onto the stage. I was not security, so I figured he might have been someone working at the show, and if he were not, someone else could take care of it. Then he began singing some Bach counterpoint. The guy's name was McFerrin. Perhaps you have heard of him.

It is very important not to make assumptions when you are working. Even assumptions about cities. More often than not, they turn out to be unwarranted.


Well said.


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Originally Posted by BDB
About 35 years ago, I was working at a show in San Francisco, and after I finished tuning, someone who looked like a street person wandered onto the stage. I was not security, so I figured he might have been someone working at the show, and if he were not, someone else could take care of it. Then he began singing some Bach counterpoint. The guy's name was McFerrin. Perhaps you have heard of him.

It is very important not to make assumptions when you are working. Even assumptions about cities. More often than not, they turn out to be unwarranted.

A person who is a professional should not be dressing in a manner that causes people to question them... That would not be a professional thing to do.
Why try to be the cause of people thinking poor thoughts of you?
It's different if you cannot afford the nicer clothing for appearance of course--- but then, I don't know of anyone accomplished in our trade (enough to be recognized as a tuner-tech) who cannot afford a proper attire to work in.

Besides, I do not know of anywhere that I made an assumption about any particular city. I simply stated facts of current day status and conditions in SF.


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Originally Posted by mha9
Just wondering if there's something distinctive about the "street bums" from San Francisco, as opposed to those from other cities and towns.


In SF they're probably more likely to be confused with tech billionaires.

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The homeless person my wife brought home for breakfast yesterday was dressed at least as well as the San Francisco society matron I met at the open house for the theater that she restored. You never can tell.


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