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advices for a starter - general questions #2892095
09/19/19 06:06 PM
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Hi All smile

Probably this quesiton has been posed 1000 times, but i might want to add a little twist here smile

well, i play drums, guitar, trumpet ( a little bit ), i never had a personal piano before, and always used friends stuff to play & learn a bit, i can play some simple pop songs, now i finally was able to get me my own and i'm looking for some advice on how to get things done.

I can read (slowly) music, i know how to construct chords, scales, etc, i know the nashville number system, so i'm not really a pro but i get my way around theory, there's always to add more i know smile

i'm looking on something that that get's me started on the "mechanics", i mean, drills, etudes, that get the mechanical part of fingers/hands going as the theory and reading is "there" ( yeah well almost cmon :P, we'll talk about that later eventually)

If i'm not wrong the Czerny books are something to look into ?, I looked around the net and found some advice about schmitt, czerny, hanon. as i don't have the minimal clue on what is what any help here is greatly appreciated, not sure how updated those methids are and if there's something new, i'm really not looking into the apps thing, i like ink and paper, but pdf on ipad will do.

Aims... well. in three months i plan to play like Kissin :), LOL, i like classical/jazz/soul/rnb stuff the most, but listen to anything except "chugga chugga metal", i want to increase my proficiency, and be able to play my stuff, not planning to play piano on stage, maybe when i'll be better i'll might play for some friends here at home.

So what would you guys/girls suggest ?

Thank you !!

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Re: advices for a starter - general questions [Re: brogh] #2892096
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Re: advices for a starter - general questions [Re: brogh] #2892099
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about the teacher yeah smile forgot to mention, i plan to do that, but finding the right teacher is not easy, i'm already looking for one, but it will take some time to thin the herd smile

Re: advices for a starter - general questions [Re: brogh] #2892138
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Originally Posted by brogh
about the teacher yeah smile forgot to mention, i plan to do that, but finding the right teacher is not easy, i'm already looking for one, but it will take some time to thin the herd smile


I would not "plan to do it", I would just do it.

Getting a teacher is probably the most important thing you can do if you wish to make good progress.

It is not rocket science.

Just tell one of them you would like to start immediately and then do it.

Don't spend months trying to pick the perfect one. Any one will do, for now.

Just get started and quit procrastinating.

Good Luck


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Re: advices for a starter - general questions [Re: brogh] #2892147
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I think Schmitt, Hanon, etc should only be done with the supervision of a teacher as part of an overall plan/method. Done without a plan IMHO technical exercises are of limited use. Your time is better spent working on learning as much new repertoire as possible.

A good teacher will keep you on track and hopefully keep you from diving into ''Moonlight Sonata'' (smirk) before your ready. Even a basic teacher will be very useful until such time as you feel you have outgrown them. I had two such teachers before finding the only one now I will ever need, and I don't think I really suffered.

If you don't get a teacher straight away, then getting a method book is the way to go. Learn or relearn the basics from scratch so you don't miss anything might be a good idea. Very popular is the Alfred All In One books (check out the threads on this site) and Adult Piano Aventures by Faber and Faber.


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Re: advices for a starter - general questions [Re: earlofmar] #2892154
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Originally Posted by earlofmar
I think Schmitt, Hanon, etc should only be done with the supervision of a teacher as part of an overall plan/method. Done without a plan IMHO technical exercises are of limited use. Your time is better spent working on learning as much new repertoire as possible.

A good teacher will keep you on track and hopefully keep you from diving into ''Moonlight Sonata'' (smirk) before your ready. Even a basic teacher will be very useful until such time as you feel you have outgrown them. I had two such teachers before finding the only one now I will ever need, and I don't think I really suffered.

If you don't get a teacher straight away, then getting a method book is the way to go. Learn or relearn the basics from scratch so you don't miss anything might be a good idea. Very popular is the Alfred All In One books (check out the threads on this site) and Adult Piano Aventures by Faber and Faber.

I slightly disagree; I had a poor teacher at first, and I think it delayed my progress, gave me some bad habits. That said,, though, I wouldn't have been able to tell the difference at first anyway, so there was no way I could have made a good choice on my own.

I did Hanon exercises, but without learning to do them properly, they're a waste. My newest teacher did one with me years after I had learned them, taught me how to do it properly, for a specific purpose (wrist rotation). My former teacher never taught me specifics about technique. It's taking a while to undo some habits. Not a huge deal, I learned a ton from him anyway, but the point is playing the Hanons or Czerny's just to hit notes is a little bit of a waste of time, and could possibly lead to injuries.

One great thing about Hanons are the scales in Section II. It will teach you proper fingering on scales and arpeggios in all major and minor keys. If you do tackle these, approach them very slowly until they're solid. It's probably not the best place to start, though.

Regardless, good luck with your search and progress. Let us know how it goes.


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Re: advices for a starter - general questions [Re: cmb13] #2892170
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Originally Posted by cmb13

I slightly disagree; I had a poor teacher at first, and I think it delayed my progress........


actually we are in complete agreement. I wrote ....a basic teacher......a poor teacher that gives bad habits and delays progress is going to affect the student. Especially at what is an important and should be a happy time in their journey. I don't have anything bad to say about my first two teachers, so I would describe them as adequate. I might even go as far to say, it was good for me to have merely adequate teachers as I learned how to identify a good teacher later on.


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Re: advices for a starter - general questions [Re: brogh] #2892185
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Hi brogh and welcome to ABF!

Originally Posted by brogh
i can play some simple pop songs

What you probably mean is that you can hit the right key at the right time and probably also by hitting harder or softer can manage some dynamics. But do you play from the weight of your arm? Do you let your wrist lead you to the next note? Is there an alternation of playing and relaxing your hands?

So yes, a teacher, and yes, a methodbook. Personally I would say Faber rather than Afred's, because the latter keeps your hands on the same position with thumbs on C too long, and they hardly mention technique.
Good luck and let us know how you are doing!


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Re: advices for a starter - general questions [Re: brogh] #2892358
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I described one basic exercise in that thread. It's a good thing to start with while you're searching for a good teacher.
Another good thing to begin with is playing scales with just one finger.


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