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Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? #2891671
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I am looking for some ideas on the best piece to start on next. I recently started taking lessons and playing on a regular basis. Upon getting back into playing, I chose Chopin Prelude E minor. While it's not perfect, I can play through most of it without mistakes.

So that brings me to whats next. It would have to be something I would enjoy to play. I love most pieces by Chopin, Debussy, some Bach, some Einaudi, etc.

My focus would be something to further structure my skill set without taking on too much.

Chopin - Nocturne in E minor Op. 72, No. 1
Chopin - Nocturne in C Sharp Minor
Chopin - Prelude No.15 in D Flat Major

Debussy - Arabesque No. 1

Einaudi - I Giorni
Einaudi - Oltremare

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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891729
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Hi Matt
I would vote for Chopin op 28 op 15
.......,, but why donโ€™t you check with your teacher??? He/she Should have a good idea about what would be best for you


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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891730
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Looking at the grade level for all these pieces, the Debussy is about the same as Chopin Prelude in E minor. There rest are a grade or two above.That's about all the advice I can give you besides "ask you teacher" smile


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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891737
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Asking the teacher would be fine. I have only met with her once and plan to meet with her again in a week or so. Because I'm not sure how the teaching will go, I'm slightly hesitant to ask for piece selection until I know that I am learning correctly. Hope that makes sense.

Which brings me to this thread creation. I listed the Prelude in E Minor to illustrate where I am currently in my abilities. It's hard to listen to a piece and truly judge how easy or challenging it could be.

Thank you,
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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891741
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Have you looked into any Classical sonatas? Most of the Mozart sonatas as well as several Haydn sonatas would probably be within your reach.

A personal favorite Haydn sonata of mine is the Hob. XVI 27 in G. It's not too technically difficult, but classical sonatas in general are very good for developing your precision and evenness in your playing!

Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891753
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I have not looked at many sonatas. Although I can play Beethoven Moonlight 1st movement without any error.

So I just found this list.
https://www.pianostreet.com/piano_music/download_1/sheet_1.php

I'm not sure how accurate it is but it says the piece I'm working on (Prelude in E Minor) is level 8? So, based off of that, I'm not sure as to how accurate the list is?


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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891762
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Op 28 no 4 is graded between a 4 and 7 here on the PianoStreet search tool pianosyllabus.com
http://pianosyllabus.com/detail.php?ref=2162

Henle grades it as an 4
https://www.henle.de/us/detail/?Title=Preludes_882

A grade of 8 seems very inflated IMHO


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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891763
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I would definitely agree with the grade 8 statement. Especially if I am able to play it! There are some challenges for someone with my level of abilities but definitely not an 8.

Thank for sharing the other links.


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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891791
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1. Even though you've had only one lesson with your new teacher she knows much more about your ability than anyone here. It's very difficult to judge someone's level based on one short piece.

2. In the beginning it's important not to limit yourself to just a few composers although that does help posters try and choose a piece for you.

3. I think you should list more of your recent rep to help posters suggest a new piece.

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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: Chrispy] #2891804
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Originally Posted by Chrispy
Looking at the grade level for all these pieces, the Debussy is about the same as Chopin Prelude in E minor. There rest are a grade or two above.That's about all the advice I can give you besides "ask you teacher" smile
Don't know what source you are looking at, but in my experience, the Debussy Arabesque is definitely more challenging than the Chopin Opus 28 No. 4 and requires a more advanced technical skill set.


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Originally Posted by Carey
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Looking at the grade level for all these pieces, the Debussy is about the same as Chopin Prelude in E minor. There rest are a grade or two above.That's about all the advice I can give you besides "ask you teacher" smile
Don't know what source you are looking at, but in my experience, the Debussy Arabesque is definitely more challenging than the Chopin Opus 28 No. 4 and requires a more advanced technical skill set.

I agree completely.

The Debussy has lots of twists and turns, compared to which the Chopin prelude is pretty easy and straightforward in comparison.

This is the most accurate grading level (which is equivalent to ABRSM/Trinity and AMEB grades; to convert to RCM grades, multiply by 1.25) for beginner to early-advanced pieces that I've found in my very long experience of these things (commensurate with my well-above-centenarian status wink ):

https://qualifications.pearson.com/...evel-Music-Difficulty-Levels-Booklet.pdf

The Debussy is grade 8, whereas the Chopin is just grade 5, which tallies with my experience of playing both pieces.


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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: TurboMatt] #2891811
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Originally Posted by TurboMatt
I have not looked at many sonatas. Although I can play Beethoven Moonlight 1st movement without any error.

So I just found this list.
https://www.pianostreet.com/piano_music/download_1/sheet_1.php

I'm not sure how accurate it is but it says the piece I'm working on (Prelude in E Minor) is level 8? So, based off of that, I'm not sure as to how accurate the list is?


I looked at your list and says 5, not 8. I think you list relates to grade level. If you are on the grade syllabus it can be helpful.

'Chopin: Prelude E Minor Piece 5'

Henle confusingly is not grade level so 4 on Henle does not mean Grade 4.

I would recommend this book by Einaldi which I got as a child after I did grade 6. I giorni is one of the hardest pieces of the set. I think it may be difficult. I would start with something like Melodia Africana I or Limbo but there are other options.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MB1xk3qPOg

I dont think many Debussy pieces are very accessible but if you want to pick a piece I think Arabesques are not easy. I would suspect a Grade 8 type of piece and many grades, not 1-2 grades, above that of the prelude.

You need to discuss with your teacher as potentially you may be ok to play difficult pieces. We are not able to guide you properly so please check your teacher advice.

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I found this video which can help guide about difficult of debussy pieces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anTNuTPi1pM

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Originally Posted by TurboMatt
I have not looked at many sonatas. Although I can play Beethoven Moonlight 1st movement without any error.

So I just found this list.
https://www.pianostreet.com/piano_music/download_1/sheet_1.php

I'm not sure how accurate it is but it says the piece I'm working on (Prelude in E Minor) is level 8? So, based off of that, I'm not sure as to how accurate the list is?

That link gives it a 5. Look again. I agree. The others are significantly more difficult. Thatโ€™s not to say you canโ€™t handle them; thatโ€™s for you and your teacher to ascertain. They do represent a big jump, though.


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Re: Ideas for new piece after Chopin - Prelude in E Minor? [Re: bennevis] #2891820
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Originally Posted by bennevis
The Debussy is grade 8, whereas the Chopin is just grade 5, which tallies with my experience of playing both pieces.


Thank you. I thought so. Sorry I did not see the other comments above.

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I found another one about the Chopin that may be helpful. If you just played a Chopin maybe a change of composer is good. You must moderate your composer choice. Too much Chopin is very bad for your health.

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Originally Posted by Moo :)
I found this video which can help guide about difficult of debussy pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anTNuTPi1pM
I found major errors in that video in the first minute. She confuses the two pieces Le Petit Nigre and The Little Shepherd. She erroneously says the first in the Children's Corner Suite while its really the second one. She fails to mention the second one when she talks about the easiest pieces in the suite.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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I found this video which can help guide about difficult of debussy pieces
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anTNuTPi1pM
She confuses the two pieces Le Petit Nigre and The Little Shepherd. She erroneously says the first in the Children's Corner Suite while its really the second one. She fails to mention the second one when she talks about the easiest pieces in the suite. The rest of the video seems accurate.

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Originally Posted by Carey
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Looking at the grade level for all these pieces, the Debussy is about the same as Chopin Prelude in E minor. There rest are a grade or two above.That's about all the advice I can give you besides "ask you teacher" smile
Don't know what source you are looking at, but in my experience, the Debussy Arabesque is definitely more challenging than the Chopin Opus 28 No. 4 and requires a more advanced technical skill set.


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