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cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) #2891549
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Next week the carpet will be ripped out, and laminate flooring put in. The date is unexpectedly soon. I'm concerned about dust and debris, especially because of the electronics. Should I be worried? Is there a way to protect the piano? I have a Kawai CA97.

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Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891550
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Cover it completely in plastic wrap. Or remove it from the demo area. (I'd prefer the latter.)
Dust can get in, migrate under the key sensor pads, and cause trouble.

This happens even when there's no demo going on. just from ordinary dust.
It's not common in everyday situations, but with lots of debris from the rip-n-replace work, it's all too likely.

Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891552
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Why not pick it up and carry it off somewhere else (different room, basement, garage, etc) until the work is complete?

When I had my office rebuilt a few months ago the guys who did the work carried my piano to a different room before starting the demoliton and the guy who did the flooring installation helped me carry it back when he finished putting the new floor in.


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Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: FrankCox] #2891554
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Originally Posted by FrankCox
Why not pick it up and carry it off somewhere else (different room, basement, garage, etc) until the work is complete?

When I had my office rebuilt a few months ago the guys who did the work carried my piano to a different room before starting the demoliton and the guy who did the flooring installation helped me carry it back when he finished putting the new floor in.

It weighs 187 lb. (I just checked statistics) so it can't be picked up.

I live in a co-op and don't have much of a say about things. The gentleman doing it is supposed to be rather fussy, wants to be in and out - I've spent days emptying the place as much as possible. Only different room are the bedrooms which are tiny. I understand they will do one side of the living room, move anything left standing there (the piano, a big oak table, one commode) to the other side and continue. so the piano will be exposed to whatever is in the air.

Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: MacMacMac] #2891555
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Cover it completely in plastic wrap. Or remove it from the demo area. (I'd prefer the latter.)
Dust can get in, migrate under the key sensor pads, and cause trouble.

This happens even when there's no demo going on. just from ordinary dust.
It's not common in everyday situations, but with lots of debris from the rip-n-replace work, it's all too likely.

That's what i'm worried about. Plastic wrap - from something like Home Hardware? Could it create static?

I was looking at this kind of thing yesterday, which is when I realized I don't know what I'm doing. Like what is "pleuche" and would it serve the purpose?
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Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891557
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I'd prefer to move the piano to a different room.

As for this ...
Originally Posted by keystring
It weighs 187 lb. so it can't be picked up.
How did the piano make its way to your home? It was picked up and carried!
Do that again. Be safe.

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I live in a co-op and don't have much of a say about things.
If it's your home and it's your piano then you have complete say. Don't be pushed around.

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The gentleman doing it is supposed to be rather fussy, wants to be in and out.
It's time for YOU to be fussy. Don't be pushed around.

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I understand they will do one side of the living room, move anything left standing there (the piano, a big oak table, one commode) to the other side and continue. so the piano will be exposed to whatever is in the air.
Do not be understanding. Be commanding.
It's your home. It's your piano. You dictate terms ... or find someone else for the job.
Don't be pushed around.

Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: MacMacMac] #2891559
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
... or find someone else for the job.

The co-op is paying for the work, and has made the arrangement. When I got the piano, it was piano specialists from the Kawai store who brought it and knew how to handle a piano. I also have no other room to put the piano. I'm nervous enough about these people moving it from one side of the room to another.

Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891560
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I would move it to another room until the work is finished. Even in a corridor, if there was no space in other rooms.Two healthy adult guys are enough to move it smoothly (after disconnecting the cables!). It's not an acoustic, so there is no risk of it being detuned...
My personal experience is that when there are works inside a room, some dust will always go into the furniture, even if you cover it well with plastics.

Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891574
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Originally Posted by keystring
It weighs 187 lb. (I just checked statistics) so it can't be picked up.

Two adults of average strength can carry the piano. It's not super easy (because it lacks good handholds on the backside) but is doable if no stairs or steps are involved.
I know, because I've done it myself with the help of a neighbor, with the exact same model.

Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891579
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Do whatever you have to do in order to get that piano out of the room that they are working in.

Ask for help from friends or family.

Maybe the co-op maintenance man would help.

Rent a dollie designed especially for moving pianos.

Put a large piece of cardboard under each end and slide it. ( I have done that)

Hire piano movers to come and move it.

Something !!!

Just do it.


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Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891625
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Do you have a couple of friends that can help you?
I would get something like these.
https://www.amazon.com/Kingmax-Movi...ative=165953&creativeASIN=B07PLHXQR6


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Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: EPW] #2891640
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Originally Posted by EPW
Do you have a couple of friends that can help you?
I would get something like these.
https://www.amazon.com/Kingmax-Movi...ative=165953&creativeASIN=B07PLHXQR6



Yes. The reviews on those straps seem to validate their value as long as you are not negotiating steps.


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Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891650
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When my Aunt's piano was moved from a Chicago style bungalow, those straps were the style the two movers used. They were strong guys and had professional heavy duty straps. They had no problem with the steps carry it out. I was impressed. If you only have to move the piano to another room, same floor, the strap I linked to would work. We have something similar to move glass cabinets at work. They work great to help lift the 300 pound cabinets off the floor several inches to move them. We tip one side, slide strap underneath. Repeat for the other side and off we go. If you really can't move them. Go get a couple rolls of clear plastic used for painting. and seal the piano up. We just redid the family room and the treadmill would of had to be disasabled to get out of room. We put up new drywall and had to do a lot of sanding. So we unplugged the treadmill and totally sealed the unit in the plastic taping it up. It survived.

Good luck Keystring


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Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891778
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Thanks so much everyone, for your help. I talked to the store where I bought my piano, and I had a 2nd look at my place. I cannot get the piano around the corners for the two small bedrooms, but I do have a hallway that expands to what we call the "fat hallway", and I have suspended a thick curtain to keep the heat in in the winter, and the cold from the AC in in the summer. We can carry/slide the piano down that straight stretch. He also told me where to hold it for carrying.

Then as cover, he said a thick blanket, duvet, anything of that kind. So I'll do a combination of the two. Drag into the fat hallway. Cover.

I feel a lot better about this then 24 hours ago. Thanks, everyone. smile

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Originally Posted by keystring

Then as cover, he said a thick blanket, duvet, anything of that kind. So I'll do a combination of the two. Drag into the fat hallway. Cover.


Yep, get a heavy moving blanket or comforter, cover it, and if you can, cinch it so it's not just draped loosely. If you can move it to the hallway (you can get moving pads/caster cups to make it easily draggable) even better.

When you reno, dust gets EVERYWHERE. Even if you seal the area and door. It's a mess.


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Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: Gombessa] #2891801
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Originally Posted by keystring

Then as cover, he said a thick blanket, duvet, anything of that kind. So I'll do a combination of the two. Drag into the fat hallway. Cover.


Yep, get a heavy moving blanket or comforter, cover it, and if you can, cinch it so it's not just draped loosely. If you can move it to the hallway (you can get moving pads/caster cups to make it easily draggable) even better.

When you reno, dust gets EVERYWHERE. Even if you seal the area and door. It's a mess.

Found the moving pads on Amazon. They're called sliders. Should arrive Friday. Talk about last minute! laugh

Re: cover piano during renovations? CA97 (Kawai) [Re: keystring] #2891898
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Best of luck!

+1 on covering the instrument and moving it while the work is underway.

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