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I found an N1X #2889579
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I finally found a local dealer who has an N1X to show. I'll be stopping by the shop next Saturday.

I must remember to bring my own headphones this time.

Does anyone have recommendations about what settings to use?

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Re: I found an N1X [Re: MacMacMac] #2889594
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I finally found a local dealer who has an N1X to show. I'll be stopping by the shop next Saturday.

I must remember to bring my own headphones this time.

Does anyone have recommendations about what settings to use?

I prefer it a bit drier so turn reverb down a bit. You might try different reverb settings and see what you like. Also might try different touch settings - I am ok with the default there though.

Suggest you look up the factory reset in the manual before you go so you can do a factory reset when you first sit down (it's in the Smart Pianist app)

Speaking of Smart Pianist app, you should install the smart pianist app on your tablet or smartphone before you go to the test (now available for both Android and iOS). Then at the store, ask them for a UD-WL01 USB wireless LAN adaptor to test also, and you can test the app with the piano too. (When I bought my N1X, I asked the store to give me the UD-WD01 too with it, and they did.)


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Re: I found an N1X [Re: MacMacMac] #2889657
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While researching this piano and the configuration settings that you suggested ... I found this:

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Shades of the days of antiquity! What is a three-digit LED segmented display doing on a high-end Yamaha?
My mid-2000's middle-of-the-line Clavinova had that. An AG ought not.

And ... the manual shows how you use white-key combinations to make other settings.
Shades of bottom-of-the-line digital pianos! What bollocks!

Why did they cheap out like this? The Kawai CA-series pianos have a touch screen, not this coal-fired steam engine from your grandma's day.

Count me as frown

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Wow, that really is a cheap-looking interface. My Keurig has a nicer interface! smirk

Re: I found an N1X [Re: MacMacMac] #2889673
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
While researching this piano and the configuration settings that you suggested ... I found this:

Shades of the days of antiquity! What is a three-digit LED segmented display doing on a high-end Yamaha?
My mid-2000's middle-of-the-line Clavinova had that. An AG ought not.

And ... the manual shows how you use white-key combinations to make other settings.
Shades of bottom-of-the-line digital pianos! What bollocks!

Why did they cheap out like this? The Kawai CA-series pianos have a touch screen, not this coal-fired steam engine from your grandma's day.

Count me as frown

Originally Posted by Pete14
Wow, that really is a cheap-looking interface. My Keurig has a nicer interface! smirk

This might be the other reason to call ahead and make sure they have a UD-WD01 in the store. So that you can avoid using a display worse than the one on my Radio Shack electronics kit back in 1984! I agree with you BTW and pointed this out in the N1X thread.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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At the very least Yamaha should’ve gone with the slide-out interface used in the N2/3/N3X.

Re: I found an N1X [Re: Pete14] #2889679
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Originally Posted by Pete14
At the very least Yamaha should’ve gone with the slide-out interface used in the N2/3/N3X.

This annoyed me for a few days until I solved it for myself!


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: I found an N1X [Re: MacMacMac] #2889686
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The industrial control panel is classic Japanese. One advantage is that you will not be tempted to be tweaking forever and can concentrate on playing.

Opportuinty to focus is a main selling point of the Avant Grand and the Novus IMHO.

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Going the iPad route sounds good. But how can I cover that thing -interface- up? Would it be practical to seal it off forever using a custom-made polished wood block? Any ideas on how to conceal that calculator? What about embedding a trackpad over it? Would this void the warranty? grin

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Originally Posted by Pete14
Going the iPad route sounds good. But how can I cover that thing -interface- up? Would it be practical to seal it off forever using a custom-made polished wood block? Any ideas on how to conceal that calculator? What about embedding a trackpad over it? Would this void the warranty? grin

I only use the silly LED display to make sure my iPad is connected. There is also one function I do use (but which Mac probably wouldn't since it is turning off local control for VSTs) which is not available via iPad. I had that one committed to memory before my computer broke down and now I don't use VSTs at all these last 3 months.


across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
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I believe Kawai uses a ‘cover’ for the CS11 interface. This would’ve been a welcome addition to the N1/X interface and not a major expense for Yamaha.

Re: I found an N1X [Re: MacMacMac] #2889700
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Does anyone have recommendations about what settings to use?


To b honest, I would just use the factory default settings to begin with.
It might be worthwhile printing out a few pages from the owner's manual PDF (or copying it to a tablet) in order to confirm operations.

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Re: I found an N1X [Re: newer player] #2889707
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Originally Posted by newer player
The industrial control panel is classic Japanese. One advantage is that you will not be tempted to be tweaking forever and can concentrate on playing.

Opportuinty to focus is a main selling point of the Avant Grand and the Novus IMHO.


This is a good point. I actually like the display since it is dark, unobtrusive, and not distracting. I forget it’s there.

I may be in the minority but the only setting I changed are to turn local MIDI control off (in order to use my VST) and also turn auto power down off. Everything is default otherwise. I might not use the control panel again other than to hit the record button occasionally. I didn’t even bother to set up the Yamaha Smart Pianist app, and didn’t do it on my N1X for the 6 months I used it either.

This comparison may not apply, but it kind of reminds me of power seats in cars. I’d rather not have one. Nobody else drives my car. I will adjust it once when I first get it and then never again. I’d rather not have the unnecessary weight and complexity of the motors and electronics in the seat. Just more unimportant things to potentially break.


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I meant to say for the 6 months I used my P-515.


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Re: I found an N1X [Re: MacMacMac] #2890004
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Hi Mac,
I would be very interested in your review of the N1X. I have been road testing this beast for a while and can't quite make up my mind about it. The touch is very realistic and felt similar to the Yamaha grand Gb1 the shop had on display. The action however is very meaty and at first it felt like driving a heavy truck. However, after a while I acclimatised and I can see how it would allow expressive play and support the development of advanced technique. The thing is, at the ripe old age of 62 years I'm not exactly in line to become concert pianist the year anytime soon....or ever. And I'm loath to give up all the bells and whistles of my CVP709. Look forward to your impressions,

Paul H


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Re: I found an N1X [Re: MacMacMac] #2890019
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@pmh: I'll be away this weekend. But the dealer says he has a piano and I'll expect to visit next Saturday.

So ... what's stopping you from becoming a concert pianist? You're young. Only 62.
I'm 64 and I'm about to become a concert pianist!
I only play small venues, though. My living room, with an audience of one ... or sometimes none. smile

I was very taken a few months ago when I visited a mostly-Kawai shop and tried a bunch of digitals. The touch varied widely, but they were all very digitalistic. You know the type.

Until I tried the Novus with its grand action. I've not touched a grand in a LONG time. Not even an upright since I donated mine years ago. So I was blown over by how wonderful the Novus action felt.

So now it's time to try the N1X, also with its grand action. I don't know what to expect ... but I'll find out soon enough.

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Absolutely👍 If you enjoyed the Novus then you will love the N1X. And don’t forget those headphones, the binaural CFX is unsurpassed.

Paul H


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Originally Posted by pmh
The action however is very meaty and at first it felt like driving a heavy truck. However, after a while I acclimatised and I can see how it would allow expressive play and support the development of advanced technique.

There is a sensitivity setting to offset the heavy feel of the action when you have not acclimatized to it yet. If it's set to be just one click more sensitive, you will not have to play as hard to get the expressiveness that you want out of it. Then the action won't be as meaty like driving a heavy truck as you had felt. I had grown to like using this (more) sensitivity setting on the N3

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
While researching this piano and the configuration settings that you suggested ... I found this:

[Linked Image]
Shades of the days of antiquity! What is a three-digit LED segmented display doing on a high-end Yamaha?
My mid-2000's middle-of-the-line Clavinova had that. An AG ought not.

And ... the manual shows how you use white-key combinations to make other settings.
Shades of bottom-of-the-line digital pianos! What bollocks!

Why did they cheap out like this? The Kawai CA-series pianos have a touch screen, not this coal-fired steam engine from your grandma's day.

Count me as frown


I was given a tour of the factory of Johannus Organ here in the Netherlands and asked them a similar question regarding the display they used. Their answer was, we buy these items in bulk and use them until they're finished. Technology changes faster than inventory. smile

Also, from my personal view of owning an N3, for me, this is simply a piano and the sliding tray with adjustments is typically out of sight.


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