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Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... #2889710
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Ok, so my new music room is going to be remodeled and finished soon. It's an all purpose project studio/recording/rehearsal 18' x 20' room (high ceiling peaking at 14'). I need a new piano just for this room. When it comes to instruments, I always buy them NEW but keep them for a long time. GL30 would nicely fit in this room, but I might have enough room for a 5'11'' GL40 as well. Now let's talk about prices.

I've studied these forums for a while and noticed many people buy BRAND new pianos at prices that are ridiculously lower than street prices. I guess I'm asking for price confirmation/suggestions/feedback type of thing. I know it's not that hard to find a deal for NEW GL30 in $13K-15K (US $). But what about GL40? What are the best prices that you guys have seen for these two pianos lately?

Thanks a lot

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Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Leon T] #2889730
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Pianobuyer.com shows the SMP for the ebony GL-30 and 40 as $26,790 and $31,390. A reasonable discount to expect is 20% for many brands, but it seems Kawai discounts more. I received a discount of 37% and have seen other posts that reflected similar discounts. So if you assume a 35% discount you would expect to pay $17,413 and $20,403. If you can get a GL-30 for $13-15K I would say that's a very good price.


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Originally Posted by MarkL
So if you assume a 35% discount...


A 35% discount from the SMP pricing is not a normal level of discount. I base this on my own transactions, countless conversations with other shoppers, and as the keyboard area coordinator of two different university music departments that engaged in institutional sales and competitive purchase bids.

I'm not saying it's impossible, I'm simply saying it isn't TYPICAL in most parts of the US, for most situations.


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Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Leon T] #2889749
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ok, so that's a pretty good price then.

If you guys have any personal experience with these two models, please do share.

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I liked that one minute "Epic Chase". Very good.

Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Leon T] #2889783
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Wow, you're a great pianist, composer, and arranger Leon. I'm impressed. I have a GL10 and like it very much. I've tinkered with the action to lighten it up a bit, and it needed some voicing. Other than that, it's a solid piano. How did you come to choose the GL line of pianos? At your skill level, I'd expect something fancier, although I think a GL would sound fine in your studio.

For reference, I bought my GL10 new for $7,900, I think my dealer lists them for about $13k on the floor. So I think if you have a motivated dealer, they should be able to move quite a bit on the pricing. Something makes me think Kawai might bonus dealers for moving pianos, sort of like car dealerships. But, that's just speculation.

Good luck finding a deal, make sure you let us know when you post a video of your studio with the new piano!


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Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Leon T] #2889849
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My dealer told me that on certain models in the range, where they order a lot, they can get significant volume discounts, which are then passed on to the consumer. Hence, certain models are at a higher discount off SMP. For example, at my dealer, the K-300 and GL10 are most popular/best selling and they bring in a lot of those. Those models are significantly discounted due to volume discounts, vs. the less popular models, such as the K-400, K-500 and especially the K-800. The other models in the GL line are less discounted at my dealer, especially if they have to order it in for you.

Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Leon T] #2889875
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Originally Posted by Leon T
ok, so that's a pretty good price then.

If you guys have any personal experience with these two models, please do share.

Last year when I was adjunct faculty at University of Mary Washington, we got a GL-40 for the studio where I taught piano, and a GL-30 for the studio next door for our Jazz Studies professor who taught a variety of wood-wind instruments as well as Jazz piano. Both pianos were "new, out of the box", and as far as I know, had no "prep" beyond assembly and tuning.

I actually liked that particular GL-30 better than the GL-40. It had a more singing tone from around "Middle C" on up. The GL-40 had **slightly** better bass, but not overwhelmingly so. I suspect, that with some attention to voicing, the GL-40 would have been the better sounding instrument. Of course, I can't be certain about that.

The actions felt equally good, and were both well enough regulated to facilitate "advanced playing technique", i.e., very fast scalar and repeated note passages, very soft and very loud playing.

Conclusion: go play more than one GL-30 and GL-40 pianos as close to side by side as can be managed. Buy the one that sounds best to you.


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Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Hakki] #2889985
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Originally Posted by Hakki
I liked that one minute "Epic Chase". Very good.


Thank you Hakki.

Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Emery Wang] #2889988
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Originally Posted by Emery Wang
Wow, you're a great pianist, composer, and arranger Leon. I'm impressed. I have a GL10 and like it very much. I've tinkered with the action to lighten it up a bit, and it needed some voicing. Other than that, it's a solid piano. How did you come to choose the GL line of pianos? At your skill level, I'd expect something fancier, although I think a GL would sound fine in your studio.

For reference, I bought my GL10 new for $7,900, I think my dealer lists them for about $13k on the floor. So I think if you have a motivated dealer, they should be able to move quite a bit on the pricing. Something makes me think Kawai might bonus dealers for moving pianos, sort of like car dealerships. But, that's just speculation.

Good luck finding a deal, make sure you let us know when you post a video of your studio with the new piano!


Thanks a lot Emery. Honestly, my room is not big enough for a larger piano. Also I'm going to buy a second piano for the living room and with that my funds are limited for the GL series. Thanks for sharing the price by the way. That's a big help right there. Glad to hear about your positive experience as well.

I like heavier action keys in general. To me the GL series felt on the lighter side, but still very playable .

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Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: WeakLeftHand] #2889990
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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
My dealer told me that on certain models in the range, where they order a lot, they can get significant volume discounts, which are then passed on to the consumer. Hence, certain models are at a higher discount off SMP. For example, at my dealer, the K-300 and GL10 are most popular/best selling and they bring in a lot of those. Those models are significantly discounted due to volume discounts, vs. the less popular models, such as the K-400, K-500 and especially the K-800. The other models in the GL line are less discounted at my dealer, especially if they have to order it in for you.


Right. I would think the GL40 fits that criteria. If I can get a deal from there, I'll definitely go for it.

Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Seeker] #2889992
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Originally Posted by Seeker
Originally Posted by Leon T
ok, so that's a pretty good price then.

If you guys have any personal experience with these two models, please do share.

Last year when I was adjunct faculty at University of Mary Washington, we got a GL-40 for the studio where I taught piano, and a GL-30 for the studio next door for our Jazz Studies professor who taught a variety of wood-wind instruments as well as Jazz piano. Both pianos were "new, out of the box", and as far as I know, had no "prep" beyond assembly and tuning.

I actually liked that particular GL-30 better than the GL-40. It had a more singing tone from around "Middle C" on up. The GL-40 had **slightly** better bass, but not overwhelmingly so. I suspect, that with some attention to voicing, the GL-40 would have been the better sounding instrument. Of course, I can't be certain about that.

The actions felt equally good, and were both well enough regulated to facilitate "advanced playing technique", i.e., very fast scalar and repeated note passages, very soft and very loud playing.

Conclusion: go play more than one GL-30 and GL-40 pianos as close to side by side as can be managed. Buy the one that sounds best to you.




Thanks for your feedback. I haven't played GL-30 and 40 side by side, but to me the difference was noticeable in favor of GL30. But like said I need to play them back to back.

Re: Narrowed down my selection to Kawai GL30 but... [Re: Leon T] #2890017
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Hi Leon. So did you feel the GL was lighter than the Yamaha upright in your videos? I'd be surprised if that was the case: most uprights feel light to me compared to my GL. However, the GL is only slightly heavier to me, and the M3 action is very smooth and quick. I did find at first, however, that the rail bushings were tight. A dealer told me that was common in new Japanese grands. You might ask your dealer to check and adjust that if needed before delivery.

Good luck with the purchase.


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Originally Posted by Emery Wang
Hi Leon. So did you feel the GL was lighter than the Yamaha upright in your videos?...


Not at all. In fact my upright Yamaha felt so light that I had an official Yamaha technician come and do stuff. I can't remember what he did exactly, but the whole range minus the highest octave became a lot heavier. (at the expense of loosing dynamic range that is). It was my practice piano so I didn't care.


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