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Re: And So It Begins [Re: Retsacnal] #2889509
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
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It is possible to discuss the impact of economic policies on the piano business without the discussion turning partisan.

I agree.


Me too.


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Re: And So It Begins [Re: NobleHouse] #2889541
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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Originally Posted by iLaw
It is possible to discuss the impact of economic policies on the piano business without the discussion turning partisan.

I agree.


Me too.

I don't.

Take an example. Let's say the partisans in power pass certain tax laws for a certain government. If one discusses the impact of those tax laws, say on the piano industry, one might be positive about the effects of the new laws or negative. Among those that are positive are likely the partisans in power that implemented the new laws. Among those that are negative are likely the partisans on "the other side."

Now, perhaps discussions of first-order effects (e.g., Will the price of this piano go up? How much?) are not so partisan. But when discussing net economic effects, there will definitely be partisanship. (e.g. the Chinese will ultimately pay for these tariffs vs. the American consumers will ultimately pay for these tariffs, etc.)


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Re: And So It Begins [Re: iLaw] #2889544
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Originally Posted by iLaw
It is possible to discuss the impact of economic policies on the piano business without the discussion turning partisan.

Larry.

So is calling someone Zen Master of Hate, Agent Orange, or 70 year old toddler considered partisan? confused


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Re: And So It Begins [Re: Steve Cohen] #2889549
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... and so it begins ...



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Or Cheeto Christ, Stupid Czar? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gW2SEpWWqXM

My position is one of strict neutrality.


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Ranty Rainbow? Who in the whole is that creep? Why would you post that?


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Re: And So It Begins [Re: Retsacnal] #2889560
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
... and so it begins ...


....sigh.....


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Re: And So It Begins [Re: NobleHouse] #2889612
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Originally Posted by NobleHouse
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... and so it begins ...


....sigh.....

+1


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Re: And So It Begins [Re: Jethro] #2889621
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Originally Posted by Jethro
Originally Posted by iLaw
It is possible to discuss the impact of economic policies on the piano business without the discussion turning partisan.

Larry.

So is calling someone Zen Master of Hate, Agent Orange, or 70 year old toddler considered partisan? confused


Why are you intentionally trying to make this thread partisan and political when you know it is not acceptable on PW? Go find yourself a political/partisan forum where you can scratch that itch; Don’t be the minority here that can’t behave

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Originally Posted by TomLC
Ranty Rainbow? Who in the whole is that creep? Why would you post that?


Agreed. Devout Christians and Jews and their cherished beliefs shouldn't be made into a punch line..... especially on a technical forum.


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Originally Posted by daniokeeper
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Ranty Rainbow? Who in the whole is that creep? Why would you post that?


Agreed. Devout Christians and Jews and their cherished beliefs shouldn't be made into a punch line..... especially on a technical forum.

Huh? Maybe I missed it, but I'm not sure where religion came into this thread.
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I don't.

Because it isn't.

Tariffs will raise prices of pianos and many other goods....that's not a political statement, it's a fact. The political issue arises when you decide whether that's a good thing or it is not.

If you're a consumer, you probably think it is not. If you are a competitor who manufactures in the USA (very very short list), you might think it is a good thing. I highly doubt, however, whether Steinway, Mason and Hamlin and Charles Walter will see a significant increase in sales due to these tariffs.

The president seems to be misguided in his belief, however, that the Chinese will pay for these tariffs. That's not how tariffs work. I learned this in Economics 1.01 in 1987. Tariffs are taxes that are passed on to consumers. Period. This is clarified and evident in the letter above.

You can support the policy or not. Your choice. If you care to render an opinion, it will by necessity be partisan. I have my pianos, I have no skin in this game. I have my opinions, but know better than to share them here.


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Re: And So It Begins [Re: daniokeeper] #2889760
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Originally Posted by daniokeeper
Originally Posted by TomLC
Ranty Rainbow? Who in the whole is that creep? Why would you post that?


Agreed. Devout Christians and Jews and their cherished beliefs shouldn't be made into a punch line..... especially on a technical forum.

What about devout others ?

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Stick to Chinese piano prices rising .It is safer !

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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
Originally Posted by daniokeeper
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Ranty Rainbow? Who in the whole is that creep? Why would you post that?


Agreed. Devout Christians and Jews and their cherished beliefs shouldn't be made into a punch line..... especially on a technical forum.

What about devout others ?


"Cheetos Christ" was in the post. This is being disrespectful to more than just Donald Trump.

There are those of us who hold the name sacred.

I'm not aware of any devout others who were similarly treated here. And you won't find a single post by me where I trivialized anyone else's religion, symbols, or persons.

Or, should I just sit meekly too intimidated to say anything?

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Re: And So It Begins [Re: cmb13] #2889852
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Originally Posted by cmb13
Tariffs will raise prices of pianos and many other goods....that's not a political statement, it's a fact. The political issue arises when you decide whether that's a good thing or it is not.

If you're a consumer, you probably think it is not. If you are a competitor who manufactures in the USA (very very short list), you might think it is a good thing. I highly doubt, however, whether Steinway, Mason and Hamlin and Charles Walter will see a significant increase in sales due to these tariffs.

That's why I distinguished first-order effects (effect on price of pianos) from net-economy effects. Because economic forecasting is not a perfect science, claims can be made on both sides concerning net-economic effects and believing the claims on one side versus the other is very partisan. Think, for example, of Supply Side Economics? Discussions of that purely economic theory can certainly become very partisan! Because it's easy to agree on the first order effect (my taxes went down) but much more difficult to agree on the net-economy effect and that discussion is partisan.


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Egads! Our Commander in Chief regularly tweets like he's a 16 yo school boy and yet I get called out? cry

As much I'm not a fan of donald (though as an independent I was going to vote for him initially), if there was one area that I'm glad a president is actually addressing is the trade deficit between the US and China much of which was supported by the theft of intellectual property by the Chinese over many decade and across many technologies. They had it coming. Now whether tariffs are the appropriate way to achieve this- I don't know. It could mean short term suffering for a few business sectors for a long term gain for many Americans. We'll have to see how it all plays out.

Right now we need to be more concerned about national security and the instability within the White House staff over all these firings and critical people stepping down over tariffs against the Chinese.

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Originally Posted by Jethro
Egads! Our Commander in Chief regularly tweets like he's a 16 yo school boy and yet I get called out? cry

He doesn't tweet here, so he isn't called out here.

Originally Posted by Jethro
Right now we need to be more concerned about national security and the instability within the White House staff over all these firings and critical people stepping down over tariffs against the Chinese.

Whether your claims, assertions or opinions are true or not, they aren't relevant here.

And making fun of the president's appearance is no more appropriate than it would have been to make fun of his predecessor's appearance (or anyone's appearance).



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Thank you Tyrone, you described the problem perfectly!

And does anyone need a reminder that President Trump's main skill is slurs and name calling? A skill set low on my priorities for choosing a Commander in Chief.


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Re: And So It Begins [Re: Retsacnal] #2889907
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Originally Posted by Retsacnal
Originally Posted by Jethro
Egads! Our Commander in Chief regularly tweets like he's a 16 yo school boy and yet I get called out? cry

He doesn't tweet here, so he isn't called out here.

Originally Posted by Jethro
Right now we need to be more concerned about national security and the instability within the White House staff over all these firings and critical people stepping down over tariffs against the Chinese.

Whether your claims, assertions or opinions are true or not, they aren't relevant here.

And making fun of the president's appearance is no more appropriate than it would have been to make fun of his predecessor's appearance (or anyone's appearance).

+1. Keep politics out of this forum as far as possible.


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Originally Posted by NobleHouse

+1. Keep politics out of this forum as far as possible.

Doesn’t seem to be possible in this thread which has been reported numerous times.

We’re done. Thread closed.


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