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New pathways to Piano Technique by Luigi Bonpensiere #2889047
09/10/19 05:24 PM
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This is a re do on a topic placed here some years ago. I've been, since 4-2010, mostly self taught here in my dotage but had 5 years of lessons in my youth. A lot of this self taught has been supplemented with mind/body aspects and I've made some amazing insights tho its quite possible I've been reinventing the wheel. This has led to outstanding progress in the face of insufficient practice. So my current technique status largely features mind/body aspects. Then I took a glance at "New pathways to Piano Technique by Luigi Bonpensiere" (google for a download) and this seems to have similar info along the lines I am using. But I at first put it aside due to tough reading. But I then decided to have another go at it. I found I could make good progress if I didn't linger on the rarely used words, nor tried to ponder at length, things I didn't understand. I'm only on p. 28 but suspect if I continue wading thru it, I will find info of great value.

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Re: New pathways to Piano Technique by Luigi Bonpensiere [Re: attaboy] #2889190
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Basically he says let your fingers choose the fingering i.e. on the hoof.

Re: New pathways to Piano Technique by Luigi Bonpensiere [Re: attaboy] #2889472
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Instead of getting involved with the book alluded to in the OP, you may wish to first go to pps 27 and 260 of "A DISSERTATION
SUBMITTED TO THE GRADUATE COLLEGE of the University of Oklahoma
in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the
degree of
Doctor of Philosophy" in the link below. You may find it to be much clearer and more concise. However, it is probably also be true that to truly get value from the content, you need to read the book. Please be advised that I haven't had the time to really get into this myself.
https://shareok.org/bitstream/handle/11244/1099/3237529.PDF?sequence=1

Re: New pathways to Piano Technique by Luigi Bonpensiere [Re: attaboy] #2889506
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I believe that I understand what Bonpensiere is trying to say. Physiologically, it is true. Your body already knows how to activate your muscles to perform a given task -- IF you "tell it" by using your mind, exactly what the end result of the task should be.

I came to that conclusion while trying to teach myself how to play golf (resulting in going from a "high 80s" player to "low 70s" over the course of 10 years). I have taught the golf method with good success.

You don't have to think about the action of walking. As an adult, you just "tell yourself" where you want to end up and your body knows which muscles to move and in what order

The difficulty with using this method in playing the piano is thinking about the correct "goal." If you can truly imagine the sound you want to create and your mind can use that as a goal, then I believe that the method would work.

Re: New pathways to Piano Technique by Luigi Bonpensiere [Re: attaboy] #2889656
09/12/19 08:35 PM
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I'm amazed!! I got to an exercise on p.45 of the book, and was able to do it 2 out 4 tries. I do think my Alexander Technique gives me an advantage to release physio kinetics.

Re: New pathways to Piano Technique by Luigi Bonpensiere [Re: attaboy] #2889719
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This is really interesting. Thanks for sharing this!

Re: New pathways to Piano Technique by Luigi Bonpensiere [Re: attaboy] #2889746
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Beyond p.45, up to p.61, its hard for me to know what its about. Maybe this is the best one can expect given that the book is a collection of Luigi's notes put together by his wife after he died.


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