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Re: Phoenix C212, after a long wait [Re: trigalg693] #2719320 03/06/18 08:14 AM
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I can see you're a wee bit out of practice, and fighting the piano should not be what it's all about. Let hope Dave Stahl sorts it all out for you. I don't imagine it will be that quick.

Most people keep their original strings at least until they've got round to contemplating serious other work such as replacing hammers or action, so when you've got your action and hammers all set up nicely, you may come to love the strings you've got. Personally I've always preferred the warmth of the copper wound bass notes.


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Re: Phoenix C212, after a long wait [Re: trigalg693] #2719570 03/07/18 03:58 AM
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Yea I'm definitely fighting the brightness quite a bit with my right hand and it is affecting my playing. I noticed that the recording sounds more balanced that how I hear it from the bench, probably since I have a glass window right behind the bench, I'm probably perceiving more of the high frequency sounds which exacerbates the already bright sound. The ideal setup for this piece is very mellow voicing in the treble with very shallow key dip and light touch. This keyboard is weighted 41-53g, but I think taking another few grams off across the board would feel better for difficult repertoire.

I'm not going to replace strings on this piano. The bass is already so good there would only be maybe a tiny improvement. The copper strings do sound a little more "in tune" which works well when you have big chords, even if it doesn't sound as good when individual notes at the left end of the keyboard are played.

However I am looking into picking up an older piano that could use new strings and that's a perfect opportunity to try some very unconventional bass strings.

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Re: Phoenix C212, after a long wait [Re: trigalg693] #2721046 03/14/18 04:11 AM
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Okay, Dave Stahl tuned my piano, and it's sounding much better now (though still needs voicing and regulation). However I figured I could probably eek out some Chopin op.10 no.1, so here it is (along with the 1st Godowsky transcription). The bass sounds really muddy in the Godowsky's low full chords. However octaves are sounding great. I think stainless steel wound strings would do much better.

http://forum.pianoworld.com/ubbthre...-10-no-1-and-godowsky-transcription.html

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Re: Phoenix C212, after a long wait [Re: trigalg693] #2852388 05/26/19 12:43 PM
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Hi Trigalg,

Every once in a while I Google for Phoenix 212 to see what's new with Richard and HWF. This time my search returned this thread, which is hillarious. Now I can say "So you're the one." like in Top Gun. Richard told me it happened again and that he was done using the shipping company that transported our piano. Same model as you, simpler finish since my wife and daughter wanted all ebony and the plain desk, but ours got dropped by American Airlines and Richard had to get a new one for us too.

Our original piano was dropped in May of 2016. We got the replacement in January or February of 2017. If you want a recommendation on someone to service your Phoenix, Larry Buck is great. He spent 2 full days regulating and voicing ours, well, my daughter's 😉, and it's wonderful now. Hope you enjoy yours as much as she loves hers!


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Re: Phoenix C212, after a long wait [Re: trigalg693] #2875824 08/03/19 07:50 PM
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So how is your piano holding up?




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Hi Miguel,
I'm not sure who that is addressed to, but ours is "holding up" spectacularly. Doesn't get played nearly enough, but despite two North Carolina summers where we often have the doors or windows open a lot, it's still tuned better than our prior piano would have been after 3 months. It did get tuned a couple of times as the strings settled in.

The action is still good per my daughter. Even with a damp chaser, our M&H AA would have required tuning 3 times and some voicing in that time frame. This one just needs a touch up tuning and some minor voicing. Pretty amazing actually, and I love not hearing odd harmonics or longitudinal modes anymore like I did with the AA.

I suspect the tuning stability is due to the sound board and not the stainless strings.I think ours are stainless wound. I honestly haven't looked since it moved in.


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Re: Phoenix C212, after a long wait [Re: Toddler2] #2889523 09/12/19 01:17 PM
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You are lucky. I had a rebuilt done and major issues with the treble bride caps failing and also hammer strike line is off. They took care of the bridge cap issue by replacing them with carbon fiber but not so much help on the strike line issue. I will be posting full review shortly.




Re: Phoenix C212, after a long wait [Re: trigalg693] #2938962 01/26/20 07:10 PM
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Oh totally missed this, yes I heard all about your ordeal from Richard too! The Phoenix gets played every half a year or so since I moved and left it at the parents' house. The replacement really did not have the voicing dialed in well, but after a bunch of fiddling it's almost there. The strings are still stretching so it goes a bit flat every time. Action regulation seems to be going strong 2 years later, though of course it has only been played maybe 70 hours.

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