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Any satisfied owners of the ES110 . . .
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I'd like to hear from you. And others of course.

Recent problems in my hands are such that my current digital could soon be out. The only real reason is that the keyboard in the left, heavier side is making things a bit hard. Whilst it's not a heavy action, it is solid and requires a firm hand at times.

My wrist's a bit limp, too.

So, along with the stool I was buying, I looked for something which felt good, and was lighter. No need to switch the thing on; I use Pianoteq.
I've always liked the RH3 Kawai action on the ES8, and CN models , but casting around, Nords Grand Piano 4 uses the same pleasant action.
But the Nord 3 seemed better to me, by far. In fact, just the job! The price, of course, didn't justify it's worth, I perceived.
However, I was impressed by the ES110. Pretty much like the Fatar in Nord 3.This RH Compact action seemed much better than that in the older 100, which it replaced. Similar to the RH3, but lighter.
Being also a bit shorter didn't seem to bother me; it felt good. Not too much escapement shouting at you "I'm here! Just FEEL me!" to which i would respond "Rather not, if you don't mind!"

Too, the thing also had line outs; unheard of in this price range. No line ins except the Bluetooth connection, which is another "No thanks!" but PTq will go through my separate system anyway. It would (should) be a seamless transition.

I've almost convinced myself here. Ya gonna try talk me out of it?? smile


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No Pete. You better buy it before Brexit kicks in and the Piano cost you twice as much smile


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Originally Posted by peterws
Recent problems in my hands are such that my current digital could soon be out. The only real reason is that the keyboard in the left, heavier side is making things a bit hard. Whilst it's not a heavy action, it is solid and requires a firm hand at times.

My wrist's a bit limp, too.

Why not visit a piano teacher and/or medical professional specialised in piano technique problems? Possibly not an equipment issue.

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No Pete. You better buy it before Brexit kicks in and the Piano cost you twice as much smile

Rubbish.

How would reduced treasury outflows for EU bureaucracy and projects plus the opportunity to reset trade and tariffs result in higher digital piano prices for UK consumers? This is a similarly off-topic, rhetorical question so kindly no response, please.

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Do you want to hear from an unsatisfied owner (e.g. myself)?


Now learning: Chopin C# minor Nocturne (posth), Mozart Sonata in C K. 545, R. Schumann Fantasy Dance, Joplin The Chrysanthemum
Instruments: Yamaha N1X, Kawai ES110, Roland GO:PIANO, Piano de Voyage
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I ran out of time to edit. I should say I'm less than satisfied. I can't say I'm completely unsatisfied, but there are some deficiencies and some problems that make it difficult for me to recommend the ES110.


Now learning: Chopin C# minor Nocturne (posth), Mozart Sonata in C K. 545, R. Schumann Fantasy Dance, Joplin The Chrysanthemum
Instruments: Yamaha N1X, Kawai ES110, Roland GO:PIANO, Piano de Voyage
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Recent problems in my hands are such that my current digital could soon be out. The only real reason is that the keyboard in the left, heavier side is making things a bit hard. Whilst it's not a heavy action, it is solid and requires a firm hand at times.

My wrist's a bit limp, too.


Why not visit a piano teacher and/or medical professional specialised in piano technique problems? Possibly not an equipment issue.



Wouldn't think it's technique; just anno domini reminding me I'm no longer young and stupid. Just old and . . .
It's Arthritis. I use the piano also to keep these fingers working; by and large, it's good. But there comes a time . . .I'm very fortunate in not requiring pain killers. Don't want 'em either. Hence a lighter keyboard!


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Serious question for you Pete.
Have you seen someone about your hand/wrist?
Since you're on this board, I take it you really enjoy the piano?
Maybe some physical therapy could help.


I don't know about a ES110 myself. I did like the Kawai ES8.


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Whoops like we cross posted Pete. Arthritis, my Aunt had that and limited her playing as she got older.
I thought the Roland PHA-50 keyboard was also very good. Maybe try that one too.


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No issues at all with my ES110. Been playing it for over a year.

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Originally Posted by EPW
No Pete. You better buy it before Brexit kicks in and the Piano cost you twice as much smile

Rubbish.

How would reduced treasury outflows for EU bureaucracy and projects plus the opportunity to reset trade and tariffs result in higher digital piano prices for UK consumers? This is a similarly off-topic, rhetorical question so kindly no response, please.


I bought a Sony lens for my camera a week before the referendum results at £850. After the result was announced, it shot up to £1250 and has remained at that price since. Same with other lenses I was considering at the time (and I'm still kicking myself for not getting one more that I wanted).

Either a coincidence, or retailers/suppliers reacting to the result. If it's the latter, they would have built-in plenty of breathing space for the devaluation of the pound... the question is whether that breathing space increase includes possible future tariffs?

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Whoops like we cross posted Pete. Arthritis, my Aunt had that and limited her playing as she got older.
I thought the Roland PHA-50 keyboard was also very good. Maybe try that one too.


FYI I saw the chemist about my wrist, (recommended practice instead of trying to see an overburdened doctor) and it just so happened he was weightlifter, Gym Person who'd had issues himself similarly. Time should repair it. Pha 50 is nice, and is marginally lighter than my own.


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a working life of mostly manual labour has left tendonitis/arthritis in both of my thumbs. non steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs incur long term damage on essential organs (kidneys or liver depending on the drug) when taken on a daily or near daily basis. moderate intake of ale with high hops content (hops have anti inflammatory effect) works pretty well, or cannabis, if you can find something without too many undesirable other effects.

my recommendation would be to find an upright acoustic piano with a quick, light action. upright actions have less activation inertia than a grand action because the hammers move in a horizontal rather than vertical (directly contra gravity) plane. our restored victorian upright serves me well, but you'd have plenty of options. the lightness and quickness of the action vary hugely piano to piano, but you should be able to find something decent anywhere between console to studio or full size height.

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Well! Two responses concerning the ES110. One good, one rather less so. Any more?? Yes? No? Going, going . . . . .

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I might as well chip in. I own an ES110. It lives in our Amsterdam flat. My wife plays it.

I am not impressed.

EDIT: It works though. Not saying it's bad either. Just... meh.


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Thanks. I'd only want it for Pteq, but there seems so little enthusiasm for this. Maybe its price bracket has that effect. I will try the thing out but I'm not hopeful.


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I’d have hopped in earlier but PianoWorld’s web site was down.

I needed an inexpensive digital with a really good action for recording (trying to record my Yamaha C3 in a noisy neighbourhood was a disaster). After reading lots of reviews here, I bought an ES110 a couple of years ago to replace a Yamaha P95.

I really like it. I’m not overwhelmed with the audio but that wasn’t a consideration as I use it exclusively with Pianoteq and headphones.

I find the ES110’s action a delight after the P95; something to do with differing pivot points? Anyway it is lighter and feels more responsive. It could be just what you need.

Re arthritis - send me a PM if you’d like information on what has helped my 77-year-old fingers.


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Thank you Marie. That's encouraging. I'll take my laptop down to the shop, and try it out w ith headphones. Could be good!


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Somewhile ago I went to my local piano showroom (Bonner's Music) and tried the Yamaha P125, Roland FP30 and ES110 side by side. Of the actions, the ES110 was easily the lightest, the FP30 the next so and the P125 the heaviest. For me the ES110 was too light - but I suspect if that is what you are looking for it would be perfect. But as always - try it yourself.

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I'm surprised with the above comment, GHS is lighter than PHA4 Standard. I also needed sth just for PTQ and got FP10 week ago The action is delightful. Gives so much control over sound compared to anything I owned. I prefer it to Korg RH3 (not Kawai RHIII, it's my favourite under 2000$) as well for APs. It's quite a slow action though. Tried ES110, but was not impressed by the action nor the sound.


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