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Peter Bence on Uprights #2889160
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Other than size and cost reasons, in what situations would an upright piano be superior to a good grand piano, musically speaking?

For example, is there something that makes an upright piano more suitable to this performance, rather than a grand piano? Can you identify this piano?



Or is the piano basically just being used as a purple gimmick here and the magic is really happening in production?

Thanks for any insights!

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Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: navindra] #2889172
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Honestly don't hear any magic in that piano.

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Afaik, the majority of piano owners own verticals. Using a vertical like in the above vid can show what can be done on one. It might make the performance seem more relatable vs a Steinway concert grand.

Also, I could see choosing a restored old upright piano for playing tin pan alley.

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Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: navindra] #2889198
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I love Peter Bence! As far as utilizing the upright, I like this this video better because both the whole front panel and fallboard are completely removed (plus, I love this arrangement!)



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magic is really happening in production?


I'm sure a good deal of why this sounds so good is from production, but his creativity and talent lies in his arrangement IMO.

Ok, as long as we're here, here's another one I really love!



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Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: navindra] #2889202
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Originally Posted by navindra
Other than size and cost reasons, in what situations would an upright piano be superior to a good grand piano, musically speaking?

The reason is that he frequently plays with the strings and uses prepared-piano techniques and it's a lot easier to reach them on an upright. I think it's also a lot more cost effective, and the field of vision is much more compact for his video purposes. It all points to using an upright. I don't see any way he would benefit from using a grand, actually.

Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: navindra] #2889223
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Originally Posted by daniokeeper
Afaik, the majority of piano owners own verticals.

Enjoyed watching the music videos! Very entertaining indeed! It is always fun to play with the canned accompaniment like drum beats, and other sounds.

As far as the majority of piano owners owning verticals, I do concur with this comment. In fact, there is only one RPT in my immediate area, two, because his wife is also a piano tech. I've talked to him on several occasions, and bought some piano wire from him.

In our conversations about grands and uprights, he said the overwhelming majority of his regular clients have upright pianos, and very few own grands. He said most of his clients with grands were either Churches, local colleges, and there is one concert venue he tunes for that has a grand, Spivey Hall, at Clayton State University near Atlanta.

He said the closer you get to Atlanta or Macon, more private individuals may own grand pianos, but most if his clients owned uprights.

As far as what brand of piano Peter Bence is playing, I haven't a clue, but it looks like he has more than one, or he repaints/refinishes them in a different color for each performance. smile

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Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: navindra] #2889494
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I am skeptical that you are actually hearing the acoustic sound of that purple piano. It could be triggering samples that are replacing or enhancing the piano sound or might just be a prop and the video is miming a prerecorded performance, but there is no way those base notes are sounding from that piano.

Having said that, uprights have a smaller, thinner sound that can be easy to work with in post production and I notice that in general, the upright piano is quite popular in pop or contemporary music.

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the video is miming a prerecorded performance


I definitely don't think this is the case. He uses a loop machine (or whatever they're called) and I know musicians who use loop machines (usually with guitar music though) so I know that what he's doing is possible.

I suspect that it's post-production that results in the high quality sound of the video itself.

Hmm, this might be a topic for our friends in the digital piano forum, there are a lot of people there who know a lot about software pianos (if that's what their called?? I feel like I'm just making up names here... whome


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Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: navindra] #2889540
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Here's Peter on a grand ...


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When I’ve gotten the “I need a new piano” bug, it usually does not take very long for me to remember that I’m unwilling to part with my 1912 upright with sonorous vintage tone.


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Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: navindra] #2889691
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Peter Bence you are an original. You go boy.


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Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: ShiroKuro] #2889704
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Originally Posted by ShiroKuro
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the video is miming a prerecorded performance


I definitely don't think this is the case. He uses a loop machine (or whatever they're called) and I know musicians who use loop machines (usually with guitar music though) so I know that what he's doing is possible.


Hi,
I am one of those musicians that has used loop machines. I know it is possible. I am sure he performs these songs to live audiences. I just am not so sure that the "filmed performance" and the "recorded performance" are the same performance.

Re: Peter Bence on Uprights [Re: navindra] #2889864
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I love Peter Bence on uprights and grands. I especially love his peddling with bare toes!


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Very entertaining!


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So the 2nd clip on the brown studio upright is a Rosler studio designed by Petrof and made in China, can't quite make out the makers name on the first purple piano, good stuff, and we should applaud all new and creative forms of music making incorporating piano in these changing times........martin.
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