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Re: Roland Fantom thoughts [Re: anotherscott] #2889108
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@anotherscott My point is the reinvention of the wheel wouldn’t help much unless it’s something better than what is already available. If the workstation aspect of FANTÔME offers something superior to MainStage or Garage Band then it’s great! Otherwise not so much exciting.

@Sweelinck I don’t like the sampled voices in Roland and has nothing to do with the VA or other soumds in this specific keyboard. So to be clear, i did not say I don’t like the VA part of it... only the sampled voices are not of my liking. Also, the V-Piano. No matter what Roland puts in FANTOM, this engine sounds synthetic.

Sliders should be motorized. There’s no point in having static sliders. Even if you’re playing an Organ, it’s a huge benefit to have motorized sliders when you cycle through voices/patches.

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Re: Roland Fantom thoughts [Re: Sweelinck] #2889116
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
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I personally don't like the sampled voices in Integra 7.

It is not just sampled sounds. There is a modeled virtual analog synthesizer and modeled virtual tonewheel organ, in addition to supernatural acoustic samples and the entire original fantom library (including all SRX cards)-- 6000+ builtin sounds plus what you can create with the VA synth and clonewheel.

The problem is that when you power it up in a store, the best sounds may not be what you see on the screen at first. Finding the sounds you want from the 6000+ can be a bit daunting.
FYI, Integra does not include the original Fantom library, it includes the older XV-5080 library. But yes, all the SRX cards, VA synth, modeled clonewheel, and all the SuperNatural Acoustic sounds (which also incorporate modeling). And yes, it is hard to fully audition it in a store... not only because there are so many sounds, but also many of the sounds are in the expansions. They are all built-in, but you can load only four of them at once, so you have to actually load different expansions to hear all the sounds it has.

Re: Roland Fantom thoughts [Re: AB99] #2889150
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@anotherscott: You are correct it is the XV-5080 library, although a large subset of the Fantom library is the XV-5080 library.

@abdol: the Integra-7 does not have the V-piano or other modeled sound. It’s best pianos are the Supernatural pianos which are sampled pianos with some post-processing. These are pretty good, but not up to the standards of the very latest top DPs or VSTs. It also has earlier sampled pianos on SRX cards or from the XV-5080, but the Supernatural pianos obsolete those unless you are trying to replicate a particular historical sound. And I have zero interest in paying extra for motorized sliders. Just extra cost for another thing that can break.


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Re: Roland Fantom thoughts [Re: Sweelinck] #2889210
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Originally Posted by Sweelinck
@anotherscott: You are correct it is the XV-5080 library, although a large subset of the Fantom library is the XV-5080 library.

I had to double-check my memory here. You're right, the original Fantom was based on the XV-5080 wave set. (The later Fantom S, Fantom X, and Fantom G were not.)

Originally Posted by Sweelinck
the Integra-7 does not have the V-piano or other modeled sound

As I understand it, every SuperNatural Acoustic tone includes some kind of modeling (even if also employing samples).

Re: Roland Fantom thoughts [Re: AB99] #2889581
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The Supernatural acoustic sounds have modeled post-processing. I actually prefer the Supernatural piano sounds to the V-piano sounds but I’m sure others rank them the other way.


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