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I have a Linksys Velop mesh system and like it. My only complaint is you need android or iOS to set it up. You can't set it up with a web browser like before. That said it was straight forward and works really well. The advantage of a Mesh system over a extender is the Mesh system doesn't lose speed.


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Originally Posted by EPW
I have a Linksys Velop mesh system and like it. My only complaint is you need android or iOS to set it up. You can't set it up with a web browser like before. That said it was straight forward and works really well. The advantage of a Mesh system over a extender is the Mesh system doesn't lose speed.


Haha, as the old saying goes, speak of the devil and the devil appears! I have been struggling for days to set up the Velop. It has been a nightmare and I have been on the phone for hours with tech support.

Now, you set it up with a web browser or an iOS or Android app. You can add nodes attached to a wire or wirelessly. I’ve tried everything. You can add a node by pressing the reset button on the parent five times quickly. At one point I had three nodes working and could not add another two. The tech guy had me recycle the parent and the children dropped and cannot be added again. Sigh.

They’ve escalated my case twice now and I am waiting for another call.

Are all of your nodes V1 or V2? My three original are V2 and the two extra are V1. They’re supposed to interoperate. Playing my U1 is a joy compared to fighting the Velop. I had Orbi before before this and it also gave us a lot of trouble.

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Well if you give up on them give the Google ones a try.

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What was this thread talking about? Mechanical wrist watches? WiFi extenders? Another little derailment here... grin

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What was this thread talking about? Mechanical wrist watches? WiFi extenders? Another little derailment here... grin

Definitely talking about derailments.

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So what about derailments?


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Originally Posted by magicpiano
What was this thread talking about? Mechanical wrist watches? WiFi extenders? Another little derailment here... grin


In my experience, derailments are often more interesting than the main line. I think we got onto mechanical devices vs digital devices. My apologies.

I was just amused that someone else is happily using the Velop. I would have tried the Google one but it seems to be out of stock until October.

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I like derailments smile

This is the main unit: https://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-MR8300/

With two of these: https://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-WHW0102/

Mine has stayed synced, "knocks on wood" smile

I got the MR8300 because I wanted the xtra Ethernet ports in the back. The WiFi that comes with our ATT-Gateway was always causing us problems. I hope you get yours sorted out. I might replace the dualband Velops with Tri-band if I catch a sale on them. I got the two dual-band units for on $100.00/free shipping. I would put one of the dual-band units out in the garage which is unattached to the house.


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Back to clicking Kawai. I was at Kawai dealer a few months ago and I tried CN37, CA78, CA98 and a CA48. I didn't find any clicking on them. Funny thing was I really wanted to try out a CA58. That model they didn't have frown


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I have to say I have a CN37 from about 2 months and after a month from the purchase I experienced some little noises too in the keys I use more (the 3 central octaves). Not the "thump" from the weights (that is normal), but a little click when you release a key that was fully depressed. It is as if there was some grease applied to the bottom of the button, so, when you release the key, you feel this light "sticky" noise. In this period of the year (very hot) where I live the air can become very humid, so I think that could be a cause. I would be very curious to know exactly what generates this sticky noise and what will happen in the winter season... Will it get worse or will it disappear? What happens to this noise if I don't play the DP for a week or more? Until now I'm playing it almost every day, so I don't know.

I would also be curious to have more info from users who have owned and played on Kawai RH3 mechanics for many years. And what about the competitors plastic keyboards? They suffer from similar noises?

Anyway I almost always use headphones, so I'm not much bothered by this. It might be a little annoying only if I play without headphones and with a very low volume from the internal speakers.



Thank you for sharing, that does sound like the same problem.
Have you contacted your dealer about it? It does seem like a very common 'problem' that only occurs in Kawai products. But I suppose it should not stop anyone from buying it, as the number of complaints are minimal. I suppose it might be what you said, that it only appears during warm weather and only on a subset of pianos.

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Originally Posted by EPW
I like derailments smile

This is the main unit: https://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-MR8300/

With two of these: https://www.linksys.com/us/p/P-WHW0102/

Mine has stayed synced, "knocks on wood" smile

I got the MR8300 because I wanted the xtra Ethernet ports in the back. The WiFi that comes with our ATT-Gateway was always causing us problems. I hope you get yours sorted out. I might replace the dualband Velops with Tri-band if I catch a sale on them. I got the two dual-band units for on $100.00/free shipping. I would put one of the dual-band units out in the garage which is unattached to the house.


Thanks for the well wishes. All of my devices are Tri-Band. I hope I get it sorted out.

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Originally Posted by EPW
Back to clicking Kawai. I was at Kawai dealer a few months ago and I tried CN37, CA78, CA98 and a CA48. I didn't find any clicking on them. Funny thing was I really wanted to try out a CA58. That model they didn't have frown
Of course, on new units you will not hear that noise. It occurs after 1 or 2 months of continuous use (1-2 hours every day).

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Originally Posted by spacewhale
Thank you for sharing, that does sound like the same problem.
Have you contacted your dealer about it? It does seem like a very common 'problem' that only occurs in Kawai products. But I suppose it should not stop anyone from buying it, as the number of complaints are minimal. I suppose it might be what you said, that it only appears during warm weather and only on a subset of pianos.
Honestly I don't care much about this "problem". I play mostly with headphones and if I play without headphones, the sound of the piano will cover every little click unless you play at very low volume, as I said before. The feeling from this keyboard is very good, so I consider this issue more like a "cosmetic problem". I guess that with wooden actions there are no sticky noises even after some months of playing but they are much more expensive. Many things in life are a compromise... wink

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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Of course, on new units you will not hear that noise. It occurs after 1 or 2 months of continuous use (1-2 hours every day).


Over the years I have owned multiple Kawai digital pianos (CA68, Es7, ES8, MP11SE) and have never noticed any clicking.

Also, one thing I have noticed is that those who purchase a new digital piano and have no problems … do not start a thread here to tell us that.

As a very happy Kawai digital piano user (for years), I must highly recommend their product and their service, if needed.


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I don't think that this derailment has derailed the thread. Not at all.

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That train derailment must surely have made clicking noises. So it's quite on topic, eh?

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I don't think that this derailment has derailed the thread. Not at all.

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That train derailment must surely have made clicking noises. So it's quite on topic, eh?


Speaking of clicking noises, a professional pilot used to write a column in Salon, if I am not mistaken. He recounted a story of being up in a two seater plane with a pilot friend who discovered that there was some noise coming from one of the stabilizers. So, the pilot started moving the stabilizer back and forth to hear or feel the noise. The columnist in the second seat yelled at the guy to not debug this problem in the air! He convinced the pilot to land so they could figure out what was going on.

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Speaking of clicking noises, a professional pilot used to write a column in Salon, if I am not mistaken. He recounted a story of being up in a two seater plane with a pilot friend who discovered that there was some noise coming from one of the stabilizers. So, the pilot started moving the stabilizer back and forth to hear or feel the noise. The columnist in the second seat yelled at the guy to not debug this problem in the air! He convinced the pilot to land so they could figure out what was going on.

Smart columnist. And I wonder how many aviations fatalities have resulted from pilots trying to debug in the air? I bet a lot! But we'll never know! shocked


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Originally Posted by magicpiano
Of course, on new units you will not hear that noise. It occurs after 1 or 2 months of continuous use (1-2 hours every day).


Over the years I have owned multiple Kawai digital pianos (CA68, Es7, ES8, MP11SE) and have never noticed any clicking.

Also, one thing I have noticed is that those who purchase a new digital piano and have no problems … do not start a thread here to tell us that.

As a very happy Kawai digital piano user (for years), I must highly recommend their product and their service, if needed.
Being that the noise I'm talking about is like there was some lubricating grease where the key rests when fully depressed (and so, when you release the depressed key, a tiny grease drop detaches from the bottom where the key rests causing that sticky noise), I think it's possible that old units don't have this grease, so they don't make click/sticky noises. So, the question could be: why now they place this grease somewhere under the keys? But another question arises: why I hear this sticky noise only from the most played keys (when the unit was brand new I could only hear the classic thumps of the weights)? Maybe this grease was not supposed to be exactly there, but after much playing it has moved/leached under the key in a position where it causes this noise. I don't think I'm just unfortunate, because I read of this issue in other threads from users with the same RH3 action.

P.S.1: you can hear the sticky noise at 0:30 of the following video:



P.S.2: I'm just very curious to know what caused the little noises but, as I said before, to me it's just a cosmetic issue and is not something that could prevent me from buying, for example, an ES8, if I would need a slab piano.

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CN27 begun to click in the center part of the keyboard after 1.5 month of use. I can live with that though as my practice goes in the phones most the time. I was quite concerned about the issue in the beginning but now I barely find it disturbing even when playing through the speakers.


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My CA78 is clicking like that, too. I've had it since May, and the clicking is recent (within the last month or two). It's so loud I can hear it over the music when I play. I finally contacted my dealer about it, who said he couldn't hear it in the video I sent. He contacted Kawai though, and it sounds like they're sending some parts (at least that's what I gathered from the voicemail they left on my phone that was obviously intended for the dealer). Besides the clicking (and the buzzing from the touchscreen, which they're also going to look into), I really like my piano though. If everything gets fixed, I'd happily buy another Kawai.

Here's mine:
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From that video it's difficult to say if it's the same type of click noise. In my case it's not a plastic sound. It's more as if something sticky remained attached to the bottom of the key when I release it after a full depress.

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