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Garritan CFX Lite questions
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Just a few simple questions:

1) Would it run with just 4 GB RAM under Windows 10?

2) Is it heavy on CPU usage, or will older laptop cpu's suffice?

3) Does it require any additional software to run (i.e. a DAW)?

If it can't really run well on an older, weakish laptop, are there other sample based VST's that might?


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1.Yes (better install Windows 7)
2. No/ How many years older / specs ? ( i5 3230M from 2013 run full CFX without problem - 8gb ram though)
3. No. It comes with own software but you can run it inside a DAW if you want
- SSD disk is recommended

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SSD is a must IMO. It would allow for a really small memory footprint. RAM is used to store just some small amount from the start of every sample and the rest is read in real time from the disk which is why SSD would help tremendously. Otherwise you will have to increase the pre-cache in the RAM but that could eat from the already tiny amount of 4GB. As far as I remember, CFX lite takes around 1.2GB of RAM for the pre-cache with the default pre-cache settings but I might be wrong.


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If you are looking for a nicely playable piano VST that runs on older machines, check out Galaxy Vintage D. That ran pretty well on HDDs from the early 2010s. Or Pianoteq of course, but the sound of that is not to everyone's taste. You could also take a look at the Bechstein Digital Essentials - it's fully loaded into the RAM and doesn't stream anything from the drives. Has less velocity layers than the full version though, but still nicely playable for what it is (not sure if it runs on older machines at all though, you'd have to check. Also I think both will run on the free Kontakt Player but not sure, please double check)

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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
Just a few simple questions:

1) Would it run with just 4 GB RAM under Windows 10?


Yes, that is exactly what I am running.



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2) Is it heavy on CPU usage, or will older laptop cpu's suffice?


Mine is running fine with an i5 cpu, and, there is no indication that it is stressing/stretching my cpu.



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3) Does it require any additional software to run (i.e. a DAW)?


It automatically downloads with its own player, but, can also be used in a DAW.


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Thank you for all your responses.

I use Pianoteq most of the time on a Linux box, but it looks like my old Windows10 laptop will be relieved of its general use duty in the not-too-distant future, so I thought about hooking it up with the piano and running a sample-based VST on it. It only has 4GB RAM, the harddisk is not SSD, and the CPU is an AMD E2-3800 (which is much slower than an core i5), so I was wondering whether it would at all be possible. The CFX lite is very attractively priced, and it is of course the darling of many VST users in PW, but I may take a look at the Galaxy Vintage D now also.


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That AMD E2-3800 processor is last year's (or last decade's) mud pie. Trash it.
There is nothing on the market today that slow. It's PassMark rating is 1635.

I feel that I'm suffering at work with a crappy laptop rated 4307.
Suffering even though it's doing NO compute-intensive work. It's five-year-old junk.
If it caught fire I wouldn't trouble myself to p**ss on it to put out the flames!

Meanwhile I'm typing this at home on my do-all desktop rated 12,055. No hiccups here.

Read email with your old laptop ... but don't try to play piano on it.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
That AMD E2-3800 processor is last year's (or last decade's) mud pie. Trash it.
There is nothing on the market today that slow. It's PassMark rating is 1635.

I feel that I'm suffering at work with a crappy laptop rated 4307.
Suffering even though it's doing NO compute-intensive work. It's five-year-old junk.
If it caught fire I wouldn't trouble myself to p**ss on it to put out the flames!

Meanwhile I'm typing this at home on my do-all desktop rated 12,055. No hiccups here.

Read email with your old laptop ... but don't try to play piano on it.


I actually use this laptop for everything, including programming in Virtual Studio (which is not the smoothest experience, mind you).

It can run Pianoteq, but not as well as my Linux box (which is an equally old desktop).

But next month, Ryzen 3950X will hit the market, so time to retire the laptop from work horse duty. :-)


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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
But next month, Ryzen 3950X will hit the market, so time to retire the laptop from work horse duty. :-)

I've had a Ryzen 3900X on order since July and it is still on backorder. I've asked my custom builder to put the 3950X on order the day it is released, which some suspect will be September 7th given AMD's apparently attachment to the number "7" this year. It's possible that if he orders it right when it is released, I might get the 3950X before I get the 3900X. I only need an 3900X or a 3950X, I'll just eBay the remaining processor and make money in the process! (Either that or else the new media server he is also going to be building for me is going have such a fast processor it will be able to transcode on-the-fly even 4K videos! Haha....)

A 3950X will be a gargantuan step up from your that E2-3800 smile smile


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
But next month, Ryzen 3950X will hit the market, so time to retire the laptop from work horse duty. :-)

I've had a Ryzen 3900X on order since July and it is still on backorder. I've asked my custom builder to put the 3950X on order the day it is released, which some suspect will be September 7th given AMD's apparently attachment to the number "7" this year. It's possible that if he orders it right when it is released, I might get the 3950X before I get the 3900X. I only need an 3900X or a 3950X, I'll just eBay the remaining processor and make money in the process! (Either that or else the new media server he is also going to be building for me is going have such a fast processor it will be able to transcode on-the-fly even 4K videos! Haha....)


My local shop expects delivery of the 3900X on Sept. 16th. I hope there won't be a long wait for its big brother.

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A 3950X will be a gargantuan step up from your that E2-3800 smile smile


It should be noticeable; I expect it to be around 30 times faster. smile


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Originally Posted by QuasiUnaFantasia
It should be noticeable; I expect it to be around 30 times faster. smile

Yes, the AMD CEO, Dr. Lisa Su, has already demo'ed the 3950X off stage at the last AMD event. It was pretty impressive.


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In general ... aim for fewer, faster cores rather than more, slower ones.
Some processes cannot make use of multiple cores, and though many do, they spend most of their time on one core.
Hence I'd want faster cores, regardless of how many.

Will that prove moot in the coming years? Perhaps. But no one is seeing a clear way to do so in hardware.
Intel is struggling at 10 nm. AMD has had success at 8 nm. But how much farther can it go?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
In general ... aim for fewer, faster cores rather than more, slower ones.
Some processes cannot make use of multiple cores, and though many do, they spend most of their time on one core.
Hence I'd want faster cores, regardless of how many.

Will that prove moot in the coming years? Perhaps. But no one is seeing a clear way to do so in hardware.
Intel is struggling at 10 nm. AMD has had success at 8 nm. But how much farther can it go?

AMD is down to 7nm using the TMSC process. TMSC's Chairman predicted that Moores Law will continue to 2nm. However, under 7nm, the geometry of the gates have to change already due to quantum tunnelling, where an electron "disappears" from one channel and "reappears" in the adjacent channel. Like Star Trek's teleporters as someone pointed out smile


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It's a total off-topic but computing needs to change its entire architecture from the current Von Neumann architecture to something like neural network, or how our brains work. We don't need this ridiculously fast CPU-s that work by executing sequence of operations.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
It's a total off-topic but computing needs to change its entire architecture from the current Von Neumann architecture to something like neural network, or how our brains work. We don't need this ridiculously fast CPU-s that work by executing sequence of operations.

Have you studied the architecture of a quantum computer? It's not neural network like, but it's also not von Neumann either.


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We've studied about quantum computing in the university. It all seemed like pretty impossible thing to do ever. I need to refresh what's being done nowadays but I doubt it it would be feasible soon, if ever. Let's hope though smile With a quantum computer one might be able to do a proper modeled piano with finite elements method and that would work in realtime. Dreams are free, as they say laugh


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
We've studied about quantum computing in the university. It all seemed like pretty impossible thing to do ever.

You are maybe thinking of D-Wave. They are scammers in my book. They claim a 2000 qubit computer. Big LOL. They need to go back to school.

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I need to refresh what's being done nowadays but I doubt it it would be feasible soon, if ever. Let's hope though smile With a quantum computer one might be able to do a proper modeled piano with finite elements method and that would work in realtime. Dreams are free, as they say laugh

IBM and Google are doing the serious work in the field. Google's Bristlecone hit 72 qubits and IBM rolled out the first commercial quantum computer this year, a 20-qubit model. Exciting times.

There will be more D-Wave type scams though.

This is a bit dated, but I love this book. I have on my iPad and read cover to cover twice already. I hope I can buy my own quantum computer before too long when prices come down. Right now it's like the 1950's and mainframes, but 30 years later, PCs became a reality.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
It's a total off-topic but computing needs to change its entire architecture from the current Von Neumann architecture to something like neural network, or how our brains work. We don't need this ridiculously fast CPU-s that work by executing sequence of operations.


You mean something like the Apple A12Bionic with its neural engine. It has already been done, but by Apple which has developed the CPU and the software which need it. There may miss some hardware-software collaboration to make such development generalised.

The problem is also that we know well how to develop a sequential program. Make it multithreaded and it appears more difficult and not adequate for all problems. A neural network engine won’t be used by many program, like GPU which are only used with quite parallel program (3D engine, bitcoin mining...)


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I think we'll have fusion power before we have quantum computing.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
I think we'll have fusion power before we have quantum computing.

Catch up MacMacMac, we already have quantum computing. You can even try your hand at programming IBM's 5 qubit version online, if you care to.

I'd agree with you though if you were referring to the D-Wave fraudsters. But BS'ers aside, there is quantum computing already here.


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