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How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? #2883222
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I found a very lovely Scarlatti piece, I'd love to play it. It seems fast, but not overly difficult. Just a lot of scale passages if I correctly analyze.

Some pieces I've played are Mozart k545 (mov 1 & 2), Ronda alla turca, K397 Fantasia, Bach Invention 1, 4, 8

I've searched some 'Order of difficulty Scarlatti' posts. But K61 isn't included.


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Re: How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? [Re: hyena] #2883241
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Oh, definitely go for it, speed will come over time, this looks very doable!


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Re: How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? [Re: hyena] #2883251
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The piece is technically doable. The challenge will be to get it to speed with the proper drive, somewhere around 100 per quarter; there are many passages with 16th and 32nd and trills. It is a very different style from Mozart and Bach. This music requires a lot of dexterity and brilliance.

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I think the challenge will be speed as well.

I notice it's a bit like some handel pieces as well. A lot of runs that just keep comming and comming.

What do you mena by brilliance?

Re: How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? [Re: hyena] #2883262
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Practice slow slow and slower with the correct fingering. Resist temptation to speed up.

Lovely little piece, thanks for bringing that to my attention.


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Re: How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? [Re: hyena] #2883263
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It looks like a piece that would be very good for my technique as well!

And no problem smile

Re: How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? [Re: hyena] #2883268
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Why don’t you try playing it and see how it goes. The most difficult part begins in Bar 121 with the 32nd note triplets. The piece requires hand and finger independence and dexterity in both hands so that the notes are all played evenly. It does not have to be that fast a tempo but does need to be even.



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Originally Posted by hyena
I think the challenge will be speed as well.

I notice it's a bit like some handel pieces as well. A lot of runs that just keep comming and comming.

What do you mena by brilliance?


Well most Scarlatti sonatas have this sort of lightheartedness, with strong accentuation and pacing. It has to go fast and sparkle. Very different from german baroque which tends to be heavier and more structured. The rythmic accuracy is important too.

A good version:

https://youtu.be/kFWooNLKqr0

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Originally Posted by Sidokar
Originally Posted by hyena
I think the challenge will be speed as well.

I notice it's a bit like some handel pieces as well. A lot of runs that just keep comming and comming.

What do you mena by brilliance?


Well most Scarlatti sonatas have this sort of lightheartedness, with strong accentuation and pacing. It has to go fast and sparkle. Very different from german baroque which tends to be heavier and more structured. The rythmic accuracy is important too.

Actually most Scarlatti does not have to be relly fast and how much ligtness and "sparkle" to add is a matter of taste. Pianists do generally play faster than harpsichordist, trying to compensate for the heaviness of the instrument, but sometimes they play unnecessarily fast imo, losing some of the lyrical qualities in the pieces.

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That’s a nice piece....I’d go for it. There are a lot of chord changes with arpeggios, a lot of trills, hand independence...fun stuff. I personally would never ever get it up to the speed in the YT video. I couldn’t even if I wanted to. Otherwise though it will be a good piece to learn.


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Re: How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? [Re: hyena] #2883417
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Yeah, I love the character of the piece too. Plus, I really want to get more Baroque pieces down.

Another one that's very nice is the K64: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiYwxXfgevY

But I think the K61 will be more beneficial for my technique too. I haven't done 32 notes a whole lot. I don't think I'll get the speed anywhere near the video either!

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Re: How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? [Re: hyena] #2883434
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Originally Posted by hyena
Another one that's very nice is the K64: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiYwxXfgevY

But I think the K61 will be more beneficial for my technique too. I haven't done 32 notes a whole lot. I don't think I'll get the speed anywhere near the video either!
The second one is much easier. If you don't think you will be able to play the first one reasonably close to the speed in the posted video, the second one might be a wiser choice.

The first sonata you posted is not in the usual form for Scarlatti Sonatas. It's a series of very short variations. So another option would be to leave out the part with 32nd note triplets since it's just one of the many little variations and could be left out without really hurting the piece much.

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Re: How difficult would this Scarlatti be for my level? [Re: hyena] #2883469
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sounds easy, so it must be tortuously hard


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Originally Posted by earlofmar
sounds easy, so it must be tortuously hard


+1 My thoughts exactly!


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