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Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000 #2882933
08/24/19 03:44 AM
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Hello,

I’m about to buy the Kawai ES110 and while it has been out for almost two years, it still seems to be the best bet if you want a high quality piano with near acoustic sound. But then I heard about the two models that Casio released this year, PX-S1000 and PX-S3000. First I thought ’It’s Casio’, maybe not the best of sound in these models, but they seem to have received great reviews.

The PX-S3000 is almost 300 dollars more expensive where I live and it’s out of my budget, so I would be comparing the Kawai with PX-S1000 in this case.
I’ve listened to these pianos in countless of videos and I still feel the Kawai come out on top in terms of sound. It just sounds richer. As to their functions, Casio has Bluetooth Audio and Kawai Bluetooth Midi. Which of these do you find more important? The Audio-feature is great for streaming music to the Casio speakers but not the most important feature for me. Does Casio have the ability to receive sounds back from Garageband, FL Studio etc, where the soundeffects of the FL Studio would come out of the Casio speakers?

The only thing making me hesitate on the Kawai is that it is only limited to 19 sounds. What do I do if I want to add more effects?

Any other pros and cons about these two?

Thanks a lot!


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Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000 [Re: neret] #2882943
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"I still feel the Kawai come out on top in terms of sound. It just sounds richer."


Sounds like a pro for the Kawai then.

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"As to their functions, Casio has Bluetooth Audio and Kawai Bluetooth Midi. Which of these do you find more important?"


Neither is important.

...necessarily. Depends on what you want to accomplish.

Bluetooth audio won't work for absolute real time audio but works for playing along with a song etc. If you would use MIDI then Kawai's Bluetooth MIDI eliminates one cable from the setup.

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"Does Casio have the ability to receive sounds back from Garageband, FL Studio etc [...]"


It has an "Audio IN" socket in the backpanel, so yes. And the Kawai doesn't.

So, that's a pro for Casio.

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"The only thing making me hesitate on the Kawai is that it is only limited to 19 sounds."


The Casio is limited to 18 sounds. Kawai wins. And the sounds might even be better, though I don't think there's need to talk down Casio nowadays.

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"What do I do if I want to add more effects?"


I guess by "effects" you mean sounds(?)

You connect either piano to a computer/tablet/phone via MIDI/USB-MIDI/Bluetooth-MIDI and run a virtual instrument software. Or connect to a hardware sound module. And on the Casio you can route that audio back into the piano. On the Kawai you need to use something else to get the sound out and into your ears.

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"Any other pros and cons about these two?"


Kawai has 100 drum patterns in addition to just a basic metronome.

Kawai's triple pedal bar is attached to the stand (if you get either optional accessory) and definitely won't move around. But I don't know if that's a problem with the Casio pedal anyway.

Kawai has a "longer pivot length" in its keys, so playability is more consistent along the key.

The Casio is way more compact and lighter.

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000 [Re: neret] #2882959
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About the other sounds (gazillions vs 19), it depends on what you want to do with the piano. IMO most "other" sounds are cr@ppy in most keyboards, e.g. RD2000. They may be useful in some situations in a gig but if your main purpose is playing piano at home, then built-in acoustic and electric pianos must suffice with some strings to layer with. Again, IMO.


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Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000 [Re: neret] #2883024
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We could also confuse you by mentioning the Roland FP-10 and FP-30. They are very similar portable pianos than the Kawai and Casio and maybe something to consider.

But neither one has audio input, if that matters. They do have Bluetooth MIDI in most countries at least.

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000 [Re: neret] #2883096
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if playing an actual (acoustic/mechanical) piano interests you, the kawai will give you a better foundation, in terms of action and touch responsiveness. if you prefer the kawai's sound, that is also an important element of the touch/physical energy input/auditory response feed back. the casio's advantages are in other aspects, like compact size and portability.

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000 [Re: neret] #2883518
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Get the Kawai .

Re: Kawai ES110 vs. Casio PX-S1000 [Re: neret] #2883760
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Thank you guys for all of your replies! I ended up buying the Kawai ES110 after an intense week of basically reading every review there is to find online of the best digital piano under 1000 dollars. I read reviews and watched about 200 videos on YouTube, comparing the Roland FP-10 (my choice at first), FP-30, Kawai ES110 and then Casio PX-S1000.

At first, I liked the sound and the pricepoint of Roland FP-10 for around 400-450 dollars, but when I realized that just 'a few dollars more' could give me something special, I knew I had to look closer at the Kawai as it has been named by many as the best digital piano you can find for under 1000 dollars, since it came two years ago and still going strong. The Roland-models are quite nice and I played the FP-30 but was not a fan of the keys at all. And the sound is bright, metallic and a bit exaggerated.

The new Casio-models made me a bit uncertain of my choice to pick the Kawai, for a few reasons but mainly being new models and maybe offering something new in terms of connectivity, sounds etc as ES110 has been out for two years. But while the Casio models offered some neat features like running on battery, having bluetooth audio and being portable, it wasn't really important to me as I would mostly stay at home practising anyway. And it's not that hard to just listen to music on other devices. Audio-IN could have been an argument for me but the Casio seem to be missing that too? The sound was more than fine on the Casio but there was just something genuine about the sound of the Kawai that gave me goose bumps. I have never owned a DP before but it was obvious when listening to people play it that Kawai know how to make pianos.

The grand piano sound is fantastic, the speakers are more than enough for an apartment, and I absolutely love the key action and the way they just 'pops' back up. The feel of the keys are very nice and I like it better than Roland's ivory feel.
Very happy with this purchase, especially as I got it for just 450 dollars (it had been on display at a store for a year with a few people playing on it, but it was as good as new and everything intact).

I know that Kawai will most likely release the ES120 in the beginning of next year, but I'm not really missing many functions and it will probably be more expensive than the current ES110. A few more sounds would have been welcomed, or a display as it is quite tricky to change stuff. But with Midi (and being able to convert to USB by buying a cable), line-out and a fantastic key action, there's not a lot more to ask for so I can highly recommend it for anyone who's thinking of buying a DP in this price range.

As mentioned earlier, the only thing that could have made it even better would have been to be able to use instrument sounds from a DAW (FL Studio) and get the sound out of the Kawai speakers. It would have been fun to play drums on the keys but I guess this can't be done? Someone mentioned a "hardware sound module", how does that work?

Thanks again for all replies smile


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