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If I can only play 30 mins per day...
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Hi!
I started learning piano 2 months ago. Currently I am around Page 70 of Alfred's Basic Adult All-in-One Course, and 3rd piece of Hanon. I also want to ask my teacher to add some scales(The Complete Book of Scales, Chords, Arpeggios & Cadences) later.
My question is, since I can only play about 30 mins per day(time limited). How should I spend my time to get best results? I do not have a specific goal, I just enjoy practicing (I love numbers, and playing piano is like finding patterns and playing number tricks by fingers for me.).

I do notice that for each scales or Hanon pieces, I need to play about 3-4 times to warm up. However, if I practice about 2 scales and 2 Hanons X5, there will be little time left for the Alfred's piece.
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Obviously the pieces have got to come first which is the biggest chunk of your time. Most people here seem to agree (once I say that, I can expect some pushback laugh) that time on pieces should be around 60-80% of your time and rest split among the various technical exercises you are doing. So currently you might do twenty five minutes of pieces, then five minutes of hannon (which would be plenty for instance for a technical exercise).

Beginners, and I was no different, are keen to start scales straight away. However my own experience was I was much better equipped, and therefore learned them quicker, by starting scales in my second year. Remember you have the rest of your piano life to perfect your scales.

Half an hour is probably just right for the first year, but I think you might have to get a little more creative as you progress. All the best.


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You could alternate practice days. For example, 1 or 2 days of scales & arpeggios for every 3 days of repertoire.


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Originally Posted by Groove On
You could alternate practice days. For example, 1 or 2 days of scales & arpeggios for every 3 days of repertoire.


Or simply do ten minutes of scales and Hanon every other day. That might be more efficient than just five minutes, daily.

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Originally Posted by earlofmar
Obviously the pieces have got to come first which is the biggest chunk of your time. Most people here seem to agree (once I say that, I can expect some pushback laugh) that time on pieces should be around 60-80% of your time and rest split among the various technical exercises you are doing. So currently you might do twenty five minutes of pieces, then five minutes of hannon (which would be plenty for instance for a technical exercise).

Beginners, and I was no different, are keen to start scales straight away. However my own experience was I was much better equipped, and therefore learned them quicker, by starting scales in my second year. Remember you have the rest of your piano life to perfect your scales.

Half an hour is probably just right for the first year, but I think you might have to get a little more creative as you progress. All the best.

So you suggest that I should play the pieces in Alfred's first? ^_^
I can hold the scales back for a while:)

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Someone told me ages ago that you should spend no more than 1/8th of your practice time on technique/exercises. If you can only do thirty minutes a day, then 30 / 8 is about 4 minutes a day - which is about what other people are telling you.

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You could alternate practice days. For example, 1 or 2 days of scales & arpeggios for every 3 days of repertoire.


Or simply do ten minutes of scales and Hanon every other day. That might be more efficient than just five minutes, daily.

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You could alternate practice days. For example, 1 or 2 days of scales & arpeggios for every 3 days of repertoire.


Or simply do ten minutes of scales and Hanon every other day. That might be more efficient than just five minutes, daily.

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Sound advice. But it is your decision.


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I think you should limit yourself in the scales too. Nice to work on but my teacher told me he rather find material to emphasize what he wanted me to learn. He even said scales get boring after a while.

But since you are just starting out if you want to spend little more time on scales go for it.


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By the way welcome aboard this great adventure of piano learning!


All these years playing and I still consider myself a novice.
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Originally Posted by sherrycherrysc

So you suggest that I should play the pieces in Alfred's first? ^_^
I can hold the scales back for a while:)


exactly, while scales are not rocket science they are difficult for the early beginner. Putting them off for a year or so makes no difference and might actually be beneficial as it was in my case.

However ask your teacher because you are following their plan.


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Originally Posted by sherrycherrysc
My question is, since I can only play about 30 mins per day(time limited). How should I spend my time to get best results?
Hold the scales back for a while. Don't waste time on Hanon. We don't need strong fingers for playing piano. We need control over each of them independently of the others. We don't lift our fingers either. Leave Hanon until not lifting the fingers is an ingrained habit and your time at the piano is unrestricted enough that you can waste it.

For now stick with three pieces, work on two a day, fifteen minutes each, resting a different one each day.

It's unlikely that in two months you've gained enough control in your fingers to begin scales but if you need to play them two or three times to warm up first you're doing them way too fast. They should be done slowly enough that there's no chance of a slip. Once up and down over one octave with each hand separately at the speed of a dirge is plenty for two months, two or three times a week.

At your stage the primary concern is passing the thumb under the third finger. I suggest playing D-F#-G-F#-D using your thumb to play D and G and your third finger for F#, in the style of Then He Kissed Me (The Crystals). A couple of times a day is all you need. When you have it really smooth move to C-E-F-E-G. It's much easier when your third finger is raised on a black key.


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You write that you can only practice thirty minutes a day. I’m not doubting you but you could perhaps check your lifestyle to see if a little more time could be made available e.g. by getting up five or ten minutes earlier.

Also look to split the time available if you find that suits. Play a scale, later ten minutes on a piece and maybe even a third short session for whatever. This way you might also find you have done thirty five minutes without trying.

You need to be totally focused in the short time available- this is worth more than an hour or two of half hearted going though the motions.

Lastly your thirty minutes needs to be every day with very few breaks. Once you start slipping you practice will go right over the cliff.

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Thank you for all the suggestions!
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