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PCA has a feedback teacher! #2882639
08/23/19 07:30 AM
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I cannot write this without sounding like an advertisement, so I won't even try. As you may know, PianoCareerAcademy or PCA is an online piano teaching program that works according to the principles of the Russian piano school - but in a very friendly way. This program has hundreds of videos that takes pianists slowly and methodically from the very beginning to an intermediate/advanced level, and it is just so good!

Now the one thing that has been missing lately from this program is getting feedback, so you know that you are on still the right track in applying everything that you have been taught. And this is very important, because even if you make videos of yourself, it can be very hard to see what you're doing wrong. But from the beginning of August, they have hired a feedback teacher. Students can submit videos playing pieces from the lessons once a week, and then they get feedback. So far, the feedback has always come the next day, and it is really good, focusing on one or two things that a student can improve.

I am so happy with this, and I thought of telling you all, in case someone is interested in this way of learning to play the piano. smile


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Animisha] #2882643
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That’s great! I’ve watched a few of her videos, but she is a little wordy and they take too much time for my tastes. Otherwise excellent though. Good luck with the series!


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Animisha] #2882687
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How do they provide the feedback? Is it in email form, or video as well?


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Morodiene] #2882700
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
How do they provide the feedback? Is it in email form, or video as well?

Written. The submitted videos are posted in a forum and the feedback is written as an answer beneath it. All members can see the videos and read the feedback. Usually the feedback also contains a link to a tutorial video, or a lesson video.

(Previously Ilinca made elaborate feedback videos that were like whole lessons, but this works much better, also because you get feedback so fast.)


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Animisha] #2882756
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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Animisha] #2882803
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So you have to share your playing with the whole world ? It is not done privately ?


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: WaterDeer] #2882807
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Originally Posted by WaterDeer
So you have to share your playing with the whole world ? It is not done privately ?

For both ArtistWorks and PCA, the feedback is shared openly but only with subscribers of the course. The recordings you make to get feedback on are also essentially anonymous in that you can use a handle like "WaterDeer" and you can film yourself in an anonymous way without your face (only hands and keyboard, for example). It's unlikely that even friends and family who even happened to also be subscribers, would recognise you from that much. Would this still be a concern for you?


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Animisha] #2882817
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Originally Posted by Animisha
I cannot write this without sounding like an advertisement, so I won't even try. As you may know, PianoCareerAcademy or PCA is an online piano teaching program that works according to the principles of the Russian piano school - but in a very friendly way. This program has hundreds of videos that takes pianists slowly and methodically from the very beginning to an intermediate/advanced level, and it is just so good!


I'm curious to know what you like about this program. Is there something in these videos that you have found lacking elsewhere?

Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: MichaelJK] #2882826
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Originally Posted by MichaelJK
Originally Posted by Animisha
I cannot write this without sounding like an advertisement, so I won't even try. As you may know, PianoCareerAcademy or PCA is an online piano teaching program that works according to the principles of the Russian piano school - but in a very friendly way. This program has hundreds of videos that takes pianists slowly and methodically from the very beginning to an intermediate/advanced level, and it is just so good!


I'm curious to know what you like about this program. Is there something in these videos that you have found lacking elsewhere?

This is a comprehensive course that follows a Russian piano development curriculum for classical piano which is the Russian analog to the ABRSM and RCM programs. The creator of PCA is a conservatory-trained piano teacher, Ilinca Vartic. It is really difficult to compare to other video instruction as it is one of the only two truly comprehensive online classical piano programs starting from playing middle-C and progressing to Chopin. PCA follows the Nikolaev textbooks pretty rigorously and there are hundreds of hours of videos going through piece by piece in Nikolaev - some people might agree with cmb13 above that "she is a little wordy and they take too much time for my tastes." She laboriously dissects and instructs in fine detail. You should look at the PCA thread for more info. The difference now is that now one gets one-on-one feedback which makes it more individualised instruction than it was before, when it was purely a video course, and you could not get feedback on whether one was using the techniques properly. She did offer some feedback before also, but for at least 6 months, she canceled that part of PCA until she just hired a feedback teacher.

BTW, Nikolaev is a famous series of piano textbooks in Russia and most Russian pianists have used it when they were first learning, including many of the famous concert pianists. My wife used it herself in Moscow many years ago.


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"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2882870
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by MichaelJK
Originally Posted by Animisha
I cannot write this without sounding like an advertisement, so I won't even try. As you may know, PianoCareerAcademy or PCA is an online piano teaching program that works according to the principles of the Russian piano school - but in a very friendly way. This program has hundreds of videos that takes pianists slowly and methodically from the very beginning to an intermediate/advanced level, and it is just so good!


I'm curious to know what you like about this program. Is there something in these videos that you have found lacking elsewhere?

This is a comprehensive course that follows a Russian piano development curriculum for classical piano which is the Russian analog to the ABRSM and RCM programs. The creator of PCA is a conservatory-trained piano teacher, Ilinca Vartic. It is really difficult to compare to other video instruction as it is one of the only two truly comprehensive online classical piano programs starting from playing middle-C and progressing to Chopin. PCA follows the Nikolaev textbooks pretty rigorously and there are hundreds of hours of videos going through piece by piece in Nikolaev - some people might agree with cmb13 above that "she is a little wordy and they take too much time for my tastes." She laboriously dissects and instructs in fine detail. You should look at the PCA thread for more info. The difference now is that now one gets one-on-one feedback which makes it more individualised instruction than it was before, when it was purely a video course, and you could not get feedback on whether one was using the techniques properly. She did offer some feedback before also, but for at least 6 months, she canceled that part of PCA until she just hired a feedback teacher.

BTW, Nikolaev is a famous series of piano textbooks in Russia and most Russian pianists have used it when they were first learning, including many of the famous concert pianists. My wife used it herself in Moscow many years ago.



I think this may be the addition that has me sign up for her courses.


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2883391
08/25/19 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by MichaelJK
Originally Posted by Animisha
I cannot write this without sounding like an advertisement, so I won't even try. As you may know, PianoCareerAcademy or PCA is an online piano teaching program that works according to the principles of the Russian piano school - but in a very friendly way. This program has hundreds of videos that takes pianists slowly and methodically from the very beginning to an intermediate/advanced level, and it is just so good!


I'm curious to know what you like about this program. Is there something in these videos that you have found lacking elsewhere?

This is a comprehensive course that follows a Russian piano development curriculum for classical piano which is the Russian analog to the ABRSM and RCM programs. The creator of PCA is a conservatory-trained piano teacher, Ilinca Vartic. It is really difficult to compare to other video instruction as it is one of the only two truly comprehensive online classical piano programs starting from playing middle-C and progressing to Chopin. PCA follows the Nikolaev textbooks pretty rigorously and there are hundreds of hours of videos going through piece by piece in Nikolaev - some people might agree with cmb13 above that "she is a little wordy and they take too much time for my tastes." She laboriously dissects and instructs in fine detail. You should look at the PCA thread for more info. The difference now is that now one gets one-on-one feedback which makes it more individualised instruction than it was before, when it was purely a video course, and you could not get feedback on whether one was using the techniques properly. She did offer some feedback before also, but for at least 6 months, she canceled that part of PCA until she just hired a feedback teacher.

BTW, Nikolaev is a famous series of piano textbooks in Russia and most Russian pianists have used it when they were first learning, including many of the famous concert pianists. My wife used it herself in Moscow many years ago.


Thanks for the info!

Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: MichaelJK] #2883514
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Originally Posted by MichaelJK
I'm curious to know what you like about this program. Is there something in these videos that you have found lacking elsewhere?

Tyrone answered your question, so I'll just add a few words about my personal experience. I am completely sold on the Russian piano technique that is so gentle for my hands, and which very systematically builds your technique. At the same time, the teacher is quite the opposite of the stereotype of the strict Russian piano teacher - with a friendly and holistic approach to piano playing. Her analyses of each piece has also opened up my hearing - I can discern so much more now when I listen to music.


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: WaterDeer] #2883517
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Originally Posted by WaterDeer
So you have to share your playing with the whole world ? It is not done privately ?

Not with the whole world WaterDeer, only with the other members of PCA. It's good, because we can also learn from the feedback that others get. But of course, you don't need to use your own name and you don't have to film your face, if you don't want others to see who you are.


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Animisha] #2883580
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Originally Posted by Animisha
[quote=MichaelJK]I'm curious to know what you like about this program. Is there something in these videos that you have found lacking elsewhere?

PS A little detail: I also love having a teacher with smaller hands than I do. It means that I am never even tempted to stretch my hands more than I can. smile


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Re: PCA has a feedback teacher! [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2884389
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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
It is really difficult to compare to other video instruction as it is one of the only two truly comprehensive online classical piano programs starting from playing middle-C and progressing to Chopin.


Tyrone, curious as to which is the other program? ArtistWorks?

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Originally Posted by WeakLeftHand
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It is really difficult to compare to other video instruction as it is one of the only two truly comprehensive online classical piano programs starting from playing middle-C and progressing to Chopin.


Tyrone, curious as to which is the other program? ArtistWorks?

The Artist Works Christie Peery is the one I meant which is based on the RCM program and also prepares one for the RCM exams. I don’t know how many of her online students actually take the exams though since she does her own certification by level.

But Animisha is the expert on both of these two programs and probably can fill you in on that one.


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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
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It is really difficult to compare to other video instruction as it is one of the only two truly comprehensive online classical piano programs starting from playing middle-C and progressing to Chopin.


Tyrone, curious as to which is the other program? ArtistWorks?

The Artist Works Christie Peery is the one I meant which is based on the RCM program and also prepares one for the RCM exams. I don’t know how many of her online students actually take the exams though since she does her own certification by level.

But Animisha is the expert on both of these two programs and probably can fill you in on that one.


Thanks. I probably won't be taking either of these programs at the moment, but wanted to arm myself with the knowledge for the future, should circumstances change.

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Originally Posted by Animisha
Originally Posted by MichaelJK
I'm curious to know what you like about this program. Is there something in these videos that you have found lacking elsewhere?

Tyrone answered your question, so I'll just add a few words about my personal experience. I am completely sold on the Russian piano technique that is so gentle for my hands, and which very systematically builds your technique. At the same time, the teacher is quite the opposite of the stereotype of the strict Russian piano teacher - with a friendly and holistic approach to piano playing. Her analyses of each piece has also opened up my hearing - I can discern so much more now when I listen to music.


It sounds like you're finding it very useful!


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