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Legendenton? #2882491
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A dear friend, who is fluent in German, was helping me translate some of Schumann's notations in the C Major Fantasy. (Google Translate doesn't impart idiomatic meanings). He has neither seen nor heard the word "Legendenton". I did some searching online and also in my Harvard Dictionary of Music but all I found was: "in the style of a legend". I still have no idea what that means. Can you help?


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Originally Posted by gooddog
A dear friend, who is fluent in German, was helping me translate some of Schumann's notations in the C Major Fantasy. (Google Translate doesn't impart idiomatic meanings). He has neither seen nor heard the word "Legendenton". I did some searching online and also in my Harvard Dictionary of Music but all I found was: "in the style of a legend". I still have no idea what that means. Can you help?

I know that quite well (and your translation is correct), and always thought it was to be played like an old fairy tale/folk story:

Legend: traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated.
"the legend of King Arthur"
synonyms: myth, saga, epic, folk tale, folk story, traditional story, tale, story, fairy tale, narrative, fable, romance


.....so that's the way I always played that section, in a mystical sort of manner grin.


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Re: Legendenton? [Re: gooddog] #2882498
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Mystical. That makes sense. Thanks.


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Re: Legendenton? [Re: bennevis] #2882876
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Originally Posted by bennevis
Originally Posted by gooddog
A dear friend, who is fluent in German, was helping me translate some of Schumann's notations in the C Major Fantasy. (Google Translate doesn't impart idiomatic meanings). He has neither seen nor heard the word "Legendenton". I did some searching online and also in my Harvard Dictionary of Music but all I found was: "in the style of a legend". I still have no idea what that means. Can you help?

I know that quite well (and your translation is correct), and always thought it was to be played like an old fairy tale/folk story:

Legend: traditional story sometimes popularly regarded as historical but not authenticated.
"the legend of King Arthur"
synonyms: myth, saga, epic, folk tale, folk story, traditional story, tale, story, fairy tale, narrative, fable, romance


.....so that's the way I always played that section, in a mystical sort of manner grin.



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'like a ballade'


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Re: Legendenton? [Re: dolce sfogato] #2885841
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Originally Posted by dolce sfogato
'like a ballade'
Interesting. I think of a Ballade as a story with repeated stanzas. To me a fantasy is more like an LSD trip, so mystical works better for me. (FYI, I never tried it.)


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Yeah, this is new to me too (and as a native speaker of German!). But I agree with what was said before, it literally means "tone of a legend", which I'd interpret as mystical, dramatic, deep, ... I mean, this is the romantics, after all, they were into their folk tales, dark forests and legends of all sorts smile

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Originally Posted by Sibylle
Yeah, this is new to me too (and as a native speaker of German!). But I agree with what was said before, it literally means "tone of a legend", which I'd interpret as mystical, dramatic, deep, ... I mean, this is the romantics, after all, they were into their folk tales, dark forests and legends of all sorts smile
Thanks!


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For me, the literal translation -- "tone of a legend" -- is exactly how that portion of the first movement comes across in the Phantasy -- the telling of a folk tale. If that was Schumann's directive, the term, however odd, is IMO spot on for this music.

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Originally Posted by Tim Adrianson
For me, the literal translation -- "tone of a legend" -- is exactly how that portion of the first movement comes across in the Phantasy -- the telling of a folk tale. If that was Schumann's directive, the term, however odd, is IMO spot on for this music.
Thank you, Tim.


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