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New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD #2881718
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Hi,

I'm new to piano. This purchase is an upgrade from an electric keyboard that my daughter has been playing for about 1 year now. Her piano teacher advises that she can benefit from a real piano, which I agree.

I have been shopping for 2 weeks now. I also read some of the posts in this forum regarding the U1 prices. I've been to 4 dealers, the lowest offer was $7800 out the door, free delivery + 1 tuning.

I offered 7k, and the dealer turned me down.

My question is, can I realistically expect to get a U1 for 7k? At what price it is considered a good deal?

Thank you.

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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2881784
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Much of pricing depends upon supply and demand in local markets. What may be a good price in one market may not be quite so hot in another. $7800.00 could well be a good price, and if that is the lowest price among four local dealers and that dealer turned down a lower offer from you, I wonder why you seem to be questioning it or hoping for better than what the dealer offered. Not knowing any more than what you have written, I would go for it, willingly.

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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2881823
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$7,800 is 68% of the PianoBuyer's SMP of $11,399 for this model...…...

https://www.pianobuyer.com/brand/yamaha/

I'd say that is a very fair price - particularly with the free delivery and free tuning. Of course, you will be charged tax on the purchase price. smile


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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2881826
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Also, if you're trying to stick within a particular budget, have you considered a used piano? If you buy a used piano from a dealer, it should still have a warranty, free delivery and first tuning, but be much less.

Good luck either way, the U1 is a great piano! (I'm biased because that was my first acoustic, but it's still a great piano!!)


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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2881844
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Not too far North of Los Angel...
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About 18 month ago I was quoted $8000 in Socal for a new u1.


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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2881890
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Thank you all for the inputs.

@BruceD
I think I can get it below 7.8k because the dealer said "I can't do 7k, but what is your best offer?"

@Carey
7.8k out the door, Tax, shipping, and tuning included. 32% off is quite a discount.

@ShiroKuro
I know nothing about piano, so I feel safer getting a new one. If I can't get the U1 for 7k, I may get the Kawai K300 for about $6,300 tax, shipping, tuning included. I really like the sound of the K300, but my daughter is more comfortable with the U1 because her teacher has a U1 too.

@Learux
So did you end up getting the U1?

Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2882022
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Nope, I upped my budget and got a grand.

During one of my shopping outings I sat down behind a Schimmel and instantly knew that was my piano.

Spend quite a bit more then I intended but it has been worth it.

Last edited by Learux; 08/21/19 10:44 AM.

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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2882028
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Kevin, you need to do what works for you, that's the most important thing, so it's a combination of sound you like, touch your daughter likes, what your budget allows, and where you feel comfortable buying. I will let others talk about the Kawai, since I know nothing about Kawai uprights.

But I will say, a used upright from a reputable dealer, with warranty, is a perfectly fine way to buy an instrument. I have never bought an acoustic piano new, because there is no way I could afford an instrument of the quality I want at new prices. Buying used however, I have been able to get very good quality instruments that have served my purposes very well.

So maybe don't rule out used yet??

Either way, best of luck! An acoustic piano is a significant purchase, and it's not like you can throw it in the truck and take it back if you want to return it, so caution is always wise!! smile


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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2882031
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Originally Posted by Kevin T

@Carey
7.8k out the door, Tax, shipping, and tuning included. 32% off is quite a discount.


If the $7.8 include the tax, then you'd be getting more than 32% off the SMP smile

As for the less expensive (but comparable in quality) K-300...…. yes it would be nice to have a U1 like your daughter's teacher, but your daughter would benefit from learning how to adjust to different pianos - because that is what she will face in the real world.

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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2882182
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The Yamaha U-1 is a quality piano at $7,800 is a very good price. One more item to take into consideration is that in 10 years from now, you can sell that piano for 75% of what you paid for. There are not many things we buy nowadays that have resale value. How many cell-phones, tablets, desktops, screens a family will buy in 10 years? All of that turns into junk after a few years.
Currently, a 30 years old piano Made in Japan is sold between $3,500 to $5,000, buying a new one for $7,800 should be a no brainer.


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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2882856
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I went to see some used pianos yesterday. To be honest, this makes it tougher for me because I started to like the U3 a lot, there was some 20-30 year-old C models that sound so beautiful...and there was an old Steinway that sounds so beautiful too! (I have no room for a grand piano, but wanted to try them anyway) I was surprised to find so many good used pianos, 30+ year-old U1s and U3s going for $4,000 or more, they are all in excellent condition. Wow, 60% or more of original value after 3-4 decades!

I saw a 1993 Yamaha UX (based on what printed on the price tag) priced at $4k. Is there a Yamaha UX or is it a typo?

By the way, I asked about the new U1 again, and the dealer said it's backordered and they can't even get it anytime soon, maybe in 1 to 3 months!

Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2883509
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I bought a new U1for $9,300 CAD about 2 years ago and upgraded to a different upright about 3 months later.I received a music teachers discount which helped with the price.
The reason we never grew to like that piano was that it was it had arrived in the dealer only
a few days from being in the warehouse. It lost tuning often and sounded "metalic bright" if the weather or humidty changed.It would be better to buy the floor model of any piano is what I now
believe.
A used U1 is also a good option.

Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2883515
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I once bought. new U1 but changed it to a new U3 only few days after getting it delivered. A far better piano! Never saw much similarity between these two...
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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2883686
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Originally Posted by Kevin T


I saw a 1993 Yamaha UX (based on what printed on the price tag) priced at $4k. Is there a Yamaha UX or is it a typo?

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Yes the UX is a higher quality version of the U1, just as the UX3 is an upmarket U3. They had some higher quality components than the standard models and perhaps a slightly mellower/richer tone although the difference is not great, and possibly no greater than the difference between one U1 and another might be.

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Originally Posted by Norbert
I once bought. new U1 but changed it to a new U3 only few days after getting it delivered. A far better piano! Never saw much similarity between these two...
Norbert


I agree, the new U3s now in the Yamaha/Bösendorfer era are absolutely superb compared to the older generations. And I agree the U1 and U3 are very different pianos, the U3 is not simply a U1 that's 4 inches taller. I think I'd prefer a new U3 over the YUS5, compared to the ones I've played the U3s can have a sweeter richer tone. A U1 almost seems rather bright and brassy compared to a new U3. U1s are more popular, but I think the resell value of the U3 would be higher. Just my $.02!


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Re: New Yamaha U1 in southern California quoted $7800 OTD [Re: Kevin T] #2883763
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If 7k is your bottom line, you can either find an as good or even better piano for same price (possible but need to know things..) or settle paying a fair price.
Neither choice is exactly disastrous.
“Shop wisely”
Norbert


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My 80's U1 was never bold and brassy .The new U1 is ! I do believe Bösendorfer has nothing to do with it .No the U3 is a very nice but the YUS 5 is better but much more expensive.!


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