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Yamaha SmartPiano Stream Lights Songs? (Clavinova CVP / CSP) #2881444
08/19/19 08:12 PM
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Hi all,

I have a CSP-170 and my family is newly learning piano and would like to be encouraged by each learning songs we can share.

Thank you for any help:

QUESTION 1:
I was wondering if you could help me understand how to ADD SONGS to the Clavinova CSP-150 / CSP-170 and CVP-series, in such a way that it fully takes advantage of the LIGHT STREAMING function? What are the specifications of the song/data file that needs to be in iTunes, for Yamaha's SmartPiano software to accurately use the Light System?

My serious problem: I've bought songs mp3s from Amazon, which are PURE PIANO (no other notes or singing, etc), so there is absolutely no chance of confusion -- but when put into SmartPiano, through iTunes, it doesn't Stream the Lights for the main interesting parts. It seems to just stream lights for really repetitive single chords, even when there is tons of key work to be done on single notes -- but it only plays certain chords, completely skipping most everything else. If I were to play just those chords, it wouldn't sound anything like the song (example file: "Time to Say Goodbye" piano https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ND7FLMY/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_d_asin_title_o04 ). Extremely disappointing, because the claim by Yamaha is that you can add additional songs.

Meanwhile, Yamaha has songs like Lady Gaga's Poker Face, where every note plays & lights perfectly. What is the difference?

QUESTION 2:
Now this site ( https://www.yamahamusicsoft.com/songs/follow-lights# -- which looks like an official Yamaha site, but I'm not sure -- they use their logos & name), says it sells songs that are SPECIFICALLY designed for the Follow the Lights system on Yamaha CSPs and CVPs. Do you think there is any difference? Is this site legit? Or will it just be a muddled mess like my own music? Why don't my high-quality mp3s work, and seem like total crud -- but this site and Yamaha have songs that work perfectly? (I would like to use the Lights system to learn to play "Time to Say Goodbye" for example, and this site doesn't have that song; so understanding the difference is important when I can't just shop for a song -- do I have to format my songs a certain way?)

QUESTION 3:
Do you know of any resources where Yamaha CSP and CVP owners can get songs that WILL WORK PROPERLY in the Follow the Lights function of Yamaha's SmartPiano? What about Programs that can generate them? I have heard many good things about SYNTHESIA -- is there any way to use this program, or a similar program, in order to automatically transcribe the notes of songs I want to learn to play into a format in which Yamaha SmartPiano will play well with in the Follow the Lights mode?

QUESTION 4:
Are there any programs, OTHER than SmartPiano, which work seamlessly with Yamaha's Follow the Lights function?


THANK YOU!!~

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Re: Yamaha SmartPiano Stream Lights Songs? (Clavinova CVP / CSP) [Re: Firebrand_2304] #2881595
08/20/19 10:46 AM
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Yes, Yamaha Musicsoft is a legitimate Yamaha website. I'm not familiar with SmartPiano, but I have a CVP and as far as I know, only Yamaha makes files that will work with Follow Lights.

Re: Yamaha SmartPiano Stream Lights Songs? (Clavinova CVP / CSP) [Re: Firebrand_2304] #2881654
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My educated guess:

Converting plain audio to musical information (which instrument plays what melodies/chords?) is actually quite difficult for computers. There has been attempts already years ago and monophonic music isn't that difficult. Polyphonic is.

So, the music that Yamaha provides for use with the guiding lights includes this musical information along with the plain audio. That's why they work fine.

Yamaha has developed software for extracting chords from plain audio and that apparenty works pretty well. But extracting everything is still a challenge for software developers.

Synthesia works with MIDI files which are "musical information" i.e. could easily be converted to actual musical notation. Finding MIDI files is quite easy: just Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo or whatever is the search engine of your choice.

Re: Yamaha SmartPiano Stream Lights Songs? (Clavinova CVP / CSP) [Re: Firebrand_2304] #2881742
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My father has owned his CSP-150 since June, so I think I can help.

QUESTION 1:
You can add new Follow the Lights (FTL) songs through Yamaha's MusicSoft website. Unfortunately, the selection is rather slim, and pricey, IMO. The good news is, any MIDI file that you add to your SmartPianist app will play using FTL on your CSP-170. There are literally hundreds of thousands of MIDI files available online, many of them free. There's awesome MIDI files, and there's terrible MIDI files... the challenge is finding the former.

The reason your MP3 files don't work is because they are AUDIO songs, not MIDI. So WAV files, WMA files, and the like also won't work on FTL. However, the SmartPianist app can try and make chord sheet music for you and those chords will work on FTL... you just won't see the melody.


QUESTION 2:
Yes, Yamaha MusicSoft is a legit website, though I personally feel it needs an overhaul: it's slow and clunky.

QUESTION 3:
As I mentioned above, any MIDI file you download will use FTL on your CSP-170. Unfortunately, the SmartPianist app will not generate music that is easy to read most of the time... usually it's a big mess and has to be tweaked often. I'm sure there are music notation iOS apps which can import MIDI files and makes an easy-to-read score? I'm just not aware of any...


QUESTION 4:
There's a really cool iOS app called FlowKey which shows you how to play many songs of many skill levels, and works beautifully with FTL... Did you purchase your CSP-170 recently? You can use FlowKey Premium for FREE for 3 months as part of a Yamaha promotion through December. Read about it HERE and get your 3-month free membership HERE (P.S. I highly recommend it if you like the FTL approach to learning music.)



While FTL is cool and fun way to get your feet wet, I'd recommend you dive into reading music as quickly as you can - this will be the best way to learn new music and how to play. A good app for this is called SimplyPiano... check it out. I'd also highly recommend the Piano Adventures line of books and its accompanying iOS app... they two things work very well together and it has become my father's favorite approach to learning music.

Hope that helps! Good luck.

Last edited by vara411; 08/20/19 05:09 PM.

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Re: Yamaha SmartPiano Stream Lights Songs? (Clavinova CVP / CSP) [Re: vara411] #2881753
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Originally Posted by vara411

While FTL is cool and fun way to get your feet wet, I'd recommend you dive into reading music as quickly as you can - this will be the best way to learn new music and how to play. A good app for this is called SimplyPiano... check it out. I'd also highly recommend the Piano Adventures line of books and its accompanying iOS app... they two things work very well together and it has become my father's favorite approach to learning music.

Hope that helps! Good luck.


+1 to the above comment. If several family members are learning to play the piano, it might also be worthwhile considering piano lessons at home. All you need is one hour per week. The instructor will leave homework for everyone to complete for the following week. It is money well spent that you and for your family will not regret. I have personally been doing this (as a personal investment) for the past two years and I am really pleased with the results.

Re: Yamaha SmartPiano Stream Lights Songs? (Clavinova CVP / CSP) [Re: Chris Pringle] #2881755
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Originally Posted by Chris Pringle
If several family members are learning to play the piano, it might also be worthwhile considering piano lessons at home. All you need is one hour per week. The instructor will leave homework for everyone to complete for the following week. It is money well spent that you and for your family will not regret. I have personally been doing this (as a personal investment) for the past two years and I am really pleased with the results.

Family group lessons? First I've heard of this. I'm curious how is it structured? Can you describe what happens over the hour and how many family members participate?


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Re: Yamaha SmartPiano Stream Lights Songs? (Clavinova CVP / CSP) [Re: mimi9] #2882159
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Originally Posted by mimi9
Yes, Yamaha Musicsoft is a legitimate Yamaha website.


Thank you for confirming that.~

Re: Yamaha SmartPiano Stream Lights Songs? (Clavinova CVP / CSP) [Re: vara411] #2882164
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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
Finding MIDI files is quite easy: just Google, Bing, DuckDuckGo or whatever is the search engine of your choice.


Thanks. I will have to see if SmartPiano will convert MIDIs more accurately than MP3s into Follow the Lights, as Vara suggests.

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Originally Posted by vara411
My father has owned his CSP-150 since June, so I think I can help.

QUESTION 1:
You can add new Follow the Lights (FTL) songs through Yamaha's MusicSoft website........ The good news is, any MIDI file that you add to your SmartPianist app will play using FTL on your CSP-170...... WAV files, WMA files, and the like also won't work on FTL.......the SmartPianist app can try and make chord sheet music for you and those chords will work on FTL... you just won't see the melody.


--> GREAT ADVICE; thank you.


Originally Posted by vara411
QUESTION 2:
Yes, Yamaha MusicSoft is a legit website.....


--> AWESOME; will throw it support, complain to Yamaha, and look for MIDIs as well.


Originally Posted by vara411
QUESTION 3:
.... I'm sure there are music notation iOS apps which can import MIDI files and makes an easy-to-read score? I'm just not aware of any...

QUESTION 4:
There's a really cool iOS app called FlowKey which shows you how to play many songs of many skill levels, and works beautifully with FTL... Did you purchase your CSP-170 recently? You can use FlowKey Premium for FREE for 3 months as part of a Yamaha promotion through December. Read about it HERE and get your 3-month free membership HERE (P.S. I highly recommend it if you like the FTL approach to learning music.)


--> AWESOME; hadn't realized it worked with FTL -- that's a great advantage.


Originally Posted by vara411
.... I'd recommend you dive into reading music as quickly as you can...... A good app for this is called SimplyPiano .....I'd also highly recommend the Piano Adventures line of books and its accompanying iOS app... they two things work very well together and it has become my father's favorite approach to learning music. Hope that helps! Good luck.


--> Thank you for your thoughtful responses -- I will check these out!


Regards,

Firebrand_2304


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