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Re-thinking My Approach....... #2881244
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Without going into too much boring detail - I'm seeking either a portable keyboard/piano (61 - 76 keys) with a built-in "back-up band" (arranger?) function OR an external "back-up band" module for use in playing for nursing home patients etc..

Long story short - My Dexibell P3 died, so I thought I'd get a 61-key arranger for this purpose (Yamaha PSR s775). Well, to be honest, the keybed of this Yamaha simply sucks (almost unplayable for me). Too bad, because its arranger functionality, etc is great! So, I plan on returning the Yamaha for a refund.

In the meantime though, Dexibell has really stepped up to the plate and is replacing my P3 with a new one! smile That changes my options considerably. So, I'm looking for recommendations. (Keep in mind that the Dexibell is Not an arranger, but it's keybed is very good.) Here are my options as I see them:

A. Simply use the Dexibell with some sort of external arranger module? If so, which module would you recommend?, or

B. Try a different 61-key arranger keyboard like perhaps one of Korg's PA- series of arrangers? If so, how are their keybeds compared to the Yamaha, and which Korg model would you recommend?, or

C. Wait for the new Yamaha SX- series of arrangers to be released and hope that the keybed is substantially improved to the point where I'd be happy with it.

I'm leaning towards option A since I already know that I like Dexibell's keybed. But is there an external arranger model available that has a nice selection of voices and styles?

Any help with working thru this conundrum would be greatly appreciated!


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Re: Re-thinking My Approach....... [Re: newbert] #2881264
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With built-in speakers, i'd say the options from Korg would be PA1000 (not PA700, which has a lesser action) or the hammer action Havian30 which is less capable but has a Fatar TP100 action that is similar if not identical to what's in the Dexibell P3. But it' only available in a full 88 keys. (Still relatively lightweight, though.) Note that even the PA1000 is not a hammer action, and it may be that you find nothing non-hammer suitable, it really is a whole other category of action, especially for piano playing.

There is arranger/accompaniment software you can run from your Dexibell, but I'm not familiar with it. Dexibell even makes their own iOS app, XMure.

For standalone arranger modules, you can still find the recently discontinued Roland BK-7m. There are also a variety of modules from Ketron.

Re: Re-thinking My Approach....... [Re: anotherscott] #2881297
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Originally Posted by anotherscott
With built-in speakers, i'd say the options from Korg would be PA1000 (not PA700, which has a lesser action) or the hammer action Havian30 which is less capable but has a Fatar TP100 action that is similar if not identical to what's in the Dexibell P3. But it' only available in a full 88 keys. (Still relatively lightweight, though.) Note that even the PA1000 is not a hammer action, and it may be that you find nothing non-hammer suitable, it really is a whole other category of action, especially for piano playing.

There is arranger/accompaniment software you can run from your Dexibell, but I'm not familiar with it. Dexibell even makes their own iOS app, XMure.

For standalone arranger modules, you can still find the recently discontinued Roland BK-7m. There are also a variety of modules from Ketron.



Yeah - I've got my eye on the BK-7m now but I'm not sure that it'll work with the P3.:

1. Does it support USB-MIDI?
2. Since there's no audio input jacks on the P3, is there still a way to get the BK-7m's sound output to play thru the P3's speakers? (USB-MIDI doesn't transmit sound, right?)

Regarding the Havian 30 -- It looks like it just might be the ticket! At 33.29 lbs, it doesn't seem too heavy to lug to a performance. And it looks like it has a decent keyboard action. However a quick look at online vendors (Kraft, Sweetwater, etc) seems to indicate that it'll be hard to find. Do you know an online vendor with a good return policy that has it in stock? (Amazon has it, but it's not eligible for Prime.) I worry about ordering a keyboard sight unseen from an online vendor that doesn't have a good return policy.

Thanks!


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Re: Re-thinking My Approach....... [Re: newbert] #2881305
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MIDI never transmits audio, but USB can sometimes transmit MIDI and audio simultaneously. I'm pretty sure not on the Roland module, though.

Yeah, Havian is discontinued. More readily available in Europe, it seems, and hard to find here.

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I see an "Audio IN" on the Dexibell P3:

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That could receive the audio from the BK-7M.

I also see a a USB "To computer" socket on the Roland BK-7M:

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That could receive the MIDI from the Dexibell.

Unless of course I'm mistaken.

Re: Re-thinking My Approach....... [Re: newbert] #2881320
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How old was the P3? Regardless, full replacement is great service, thatโ€™s good news to share!


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Originally Posted by clothearednincompo
I see an "Audio IN" on the Dexibell P3:

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That could receive the audio from the BK-7M.

I also see a a USB "To computer" socket on the Roland BK-7M:

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That could receive the MIDI from the Dexibell.

Unless of course I'm mistaken.


Doh!

Right you are! I missed the Audio In port because I was expecting to find it on the back. So, it looks like the BK-7M would indeed work.

That just added another candidate on which way to go!

Thanks!


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Re: Re-thinking My Approach....... [Re: Chrispy] #2881330
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Originally Posted by Chrispy
How old was the P3? Regardless, full replacement is great service, thatโ€™s good news to share!


FWIW - the P3 was bought in March of 2018.

Yup - Kudos to Dexibell!


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Well, I guess my choice has come down to either a Korg Havean 30 keyboard or a Roland BK-7m module (to be used with my replacement P3 when it gets here).

Unfortunately BOTH have been discontinued and are very hard to find. After scouring the internet, I did find the Korg (but way over-priced) on Amazon.

Does anyone know of a source for either of these at a non-jacked-up price? FWIW - I'd like it to be NEW, not USED.

Thanks!

Bert


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Havian 30 $1,089, or $929 for b-stock. $33 shipping... but no cost effective way to return it if you don't like it, you'd probably have to use ebay/reverb.

https://www.thomannmusic.com/korg_havian_30.htm

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Originally Posted by anotherscott
Havian 30 $1,089, or $929 for b-stock. $33 shipping... but no cost effective way to return it if you don't like it, you'd probably have to use ebay/reverb.

https://www.thomannmusic.com/korg_havian_30.htm


Thanks - but I tried Thomann's. After placing it into the shopping cart, I got a message saying that they can't ship this item to the US. frown


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For used music gear
- Reverb - https://reverb.com/
- eBay - https://www.ebay.com/
- Craigโ€™s List but only if itโ€™s local and you can see it in person


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Originally Posted by Groove On
For used music gear
- Reverb - https://reverb.com/
- eBay - https://www.ebay.com/
- Craigโ€™s List but only if itโ€™s local and you can see it in person


Not a fan of eBay or even Craigslist. What exactly is "Reverb" and how does it work?

Thanks.


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Originally Posted by newbert
Not a fan of eBay or even Craigslist. What exactly is "Reverb" and how does it work?

* Reverb is an online market just for musical gear.

The point of those online markets is that youโ€™re cutting out the middle man and dealing directly with the seller which means >>> due diligence is your responsibility <<<. If youโ€™re not comfortable with that, better to look for used gear through a middle man like Thomann, Guitar Center etc.

If you decide to use Reverb or eBay - I recommend using an Escrow service to hold the money until both parties have agreed that services have been rendered. I also recommend insurance when shipping high ticket items.

For Craigโ€™s List only if itโ€™s local and you can see the item in person.


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