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Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! #2881153
08/18/19 11:39 PM
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So I started a journey a month ago looking at high end digital pianos and uprights only to realize that it absolutely must be some kind of grand piano because I've become a slight intermediate level piano snob as a result of going to many piano stores and reading these forums and purchasing some Garrison vsts for my existing Yamaha digital piano/etc. Some setup to help you generous forum folks with a response:

a) budget 5k-25k - I'll wait until I retire in 15-20 years if I want to spend 80k-120k on a 9' German
b) do NOT give a rat's bum about this being the final piano I own or the piano I pass down -- I know I'll likely have a single family home in 10-15 years with a lot more space and would even consider a 9 footer at that date, but for the PRESENT MOMENT I have a significant condo living space constraints and have young children that may damage the crap out of the piano's exterior
c) I quite like the Kawai GX-1 a lot -- it fits! and it has a real nice emotional feel to it for me - ~20k -- it took quite a bit of effort just to find this beast
d) I really quite like the Wilhelm Schimmel 6' - it does NOT fit and so I'm listing it here just to help out forum folks with hopefully giving me some insight - ~27k. Dang I had some fun playing that beast both with the lid up and down but trying to squeeze this in will make my family quite angry smile My wife and I agreed something like 5'8 5'9 max - but 5'5 very doable with little resistance
e) I've realized I do not enjoy a highly muted/highly mellowed out/swirly piano like a Hailun. I don't like Baldwins, etc. because I grew up on them and the American piano sound that I grew up on resonates poorly with me (think living with your parents). Mason, Steinway, can be quite nice. (my piano teacher had a Steinway grand so I'm partial) Yamaha's have some exceptions that are fantastic but many seem a bit too bright. But in general I like to hear the treble, so I prefer something more brighter than average but can't stand the super bright yamaha/broadmann because my ears feel like they are about to start bleeding.

So. What else do you need from me to help push me along? Should I just get the GX-1 since I enjoy it quite a bit? Should I continue searching? (it seems like I've spent more time on this than my last 2 car purchases!!!) I've hit a bit of piano fatigue and looking for any guidance I can get. Happy to provide additional details if this post isn't enough for some advice.

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Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881214
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Seems like a very reasonable direction to go with the gx1. Clearly money is not the issue so no big deal if you eventually have to sacrifice this one when your circumstances warrant getting the best. Many people get to this point and cannot make a decision. Several recent threads reflect this often repeated scenario. Make the decision and get it over with. Keep it maintained in great condition. You can enjoy it. When the time Is right, move up. You are thinking wisely IMO.

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Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881225
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If you liked the GX-1, I suggest you to buy the GX-2. Most of us have stretched our budgets a bit while shopping.
GX-2 is a real improvement from the GX-1 considering the bass and it is worth spending an extra 3-4 K.

Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881226
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The most common way I hear about a GX-1 is when someone is comparing it to a Yamaha C1x. If you are looking for a comparably sized option for comparison that would be a good choice to check out. However, if you like the GX-1 and you are happy with your choice, go for it!

The best way to keep your piano performing well, no matter what you choose, is to have a good relationship with a fine piano technician.

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Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881240
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The Yamaha C2X is just under your maximum size.

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Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881308
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A rat's b------if it is your last piano or not ? That must be a wonderful feeling .I do not know of any lower level intermediate grade 9ft concert grands or I would suggest a few.

Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881358
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it seems like I've spent more time on this than my last 2 car purchases!!!


Oh my goodness, this is me right here!!! whome

There is absolutely no reason not to get the piano you have already played and liked, especially since it fits your budget and your house. If you are interested in going up in size and can afford the money and the space, ok, consider that. But I don't see any reason to make things more complicated than they need to be.

Either way, keep us posted!!


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Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: Hakki] #2881392
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Originally Posted by Hakki
If you liked the GX-1, I suggest you to buy the GX-2. Most of us have stretched our budgets a bit while shopping.
GX-2 is a real improvement from the GX-1 considering the bass and it is worth spending an extra 3-4 K.

Agreed these sound as if they may right for the moment.

Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: Lady Bird] #2881411
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Thanks so much for the responses so far. Just to reiterate -- if I could do 180cm I'd do the Wilhelm Schimmel not the GX-2. But since I can't they are both out of the picture. (and Schimmel's Poland labor doesn't make smaller than 6' which makes me sad) I'll spend some more time at a Yamaha dealer tomorrow to help rule out the C1X/C2X. And to help flesh out the previously mentioned 9' German thought in retirement more completely -- I very much so enjoyed the Schimmel K 280 and found it was a very forgiving and amazing instrument. (can't help play any and all instruments near ~100k while I'm shopping just to see what they are like - tried the Bösendorfer 290 Imperial ~150k a few weeks back as well)

Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881431
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Well, Chips. I'm not quite following where the line is; a 9-footer is not on the wrong side of it, neither is the GX-1, but the GX-2 is,

I live in a 2-BR condo and found room in it for an RX-5. You have kids, I have dogs--- you should see what they did to my car; one of the little brats actually chewed the ceiling out of the area right in back of my head, while I was driving on the freeway. He is dead now, and no, I didn't do it. My point? You cannot anticipate everything a young animal will take it into their head to do, for fun.

What Hakki says about the tonality is true. The RX-2 was a best-seller for Kawai, apparently combining the right qualities of size, performance, and the right price for a substantial public. This might suggest that the GX-2, its inheritor, might be easy to re-sell; I have the image of you stepping from piano lid to larger piano lid, as if you were crossing a pond on stepping stones. Not that I'm into size, mind you--- of course not. The artist makes any piano sound like himself... and the neighbors will not complain any more about a 7-foot grand (which some consider the sweet spot for a home piano) than a 5-footer.

The corollary is that there may be some GX-2 models coming into the market just any time now, as others before us will be taking their steps up and up. And up! Possibly, even pianists with kids who have already taken liberties, which will help take the froth off the sellers' idea of a fair asking price. Kawai makes a sturdy product, and a good thing it is. And every key does something, which not every piano can say. I recall the young pianist, shopping with her daddy, who said of one candidate, "You push the keys down harder, but nothing happens!"

I will close with both my favorite, and first runner-up of pithy aphorisms about kids who live in the house. The first was from a 'Readers' Digest,' published long ago, and the second is from "Phyllis Diller's Housekeeping Hints," at better secondhand booksellers. Look for the Phyllis Diller Pink cover, two shades zanier than Mary Kay Pink.

"When we first got married, the floor looked like the top of the piano. Now that we've raised three kids, the top of the piano looks like the floor."

and

"Cleaning the house while the kids are still growing
Is like shoveling the walk before it stops snowing."

You seem like a determined and persistent person, possibly even possessed of wilyness and maybe even guile. I will wish you good luck, for no matter what, it takes some of that. But I expect that you will make your own good fortune, and will come back with some change in your pocket.


Clef

Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881433
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All grands are basically the same width. The extra 5-7 inches in length is really inconsequential. If you like the Schimmel, go for it and make it work in your space. You'll be happier in the long run. However, with the kids, I'd suggest keeping the piano covered with some type of thick fabric (draping over the sides) when not in use. This will protect it from dust build up and accidental scratches. smile


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Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881460
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Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: chipsneeze] #2881807
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Originally Posted by chipsneeze
So I started a journey a month ago looking at high end digital pianos and uprights only to realize that it absolutely must be some kind of grand piano because I've become a slight intermediate level piano snob as a result of going to many piano stores and reading these forums and purchasing some Garrison vsts for my existing Yamaha digital piano/etc. Some setup to help you generous forum folks with a response:

a) budget 5k-25k - I'll wait until I retire in 15-20 years if I want to spend 80k-120k on a 9' German
b) do NOT give a rat's bum about this being the final piano I own or the piano I pass down -- I know I'll likely have a single family home in 10-15 years with a lot more space and would even consider a 9 footer at that date, but for the PRESENT MOMENT I have a significant condo living space constraints and have young children that may damage the crap out of the piano's exterior
c) I quite like the Kawai GX-1 a lot -- it fits! and it has a real nice emotional feel to it for me - ~20k -- it took quite a bit of effort just to find this beast
d) I really quite like the Wilhelm Schimmel 6' - it does NOT fit and so I'm listing it here just to help out forum folks with hopefully giving me some insight - ~27k. Dang I had some fun playing that beast both with the lid up and down but trying to squeeze this in will make my family quite angry smile My wife and I agreed something like 5'8 5'9 max - but 5'5 very doable with little resistance
e) I've realized I do not enjoy a highly muted/highly mellowed out/swirly piano like a Hailun. I don't like Baldwins, etc. because I grew up on them and the American piano sound that I grew up on resonates poorly with me (think living with your parents). Mason, Steinway, can be quite nice. (my piano teacher had a Steinway grand so I'm partial) Yamaha's have some exceptions that are fantastic but many seem a bit too bright. But in general I like to hear the treble, so I prefer something more brighter than average but can't stand the super bright yamaha/broadmann because my ears feel like they are about to start bleeding.

So. What else do you need from me to help push me along? Should I just get the GX-1 since I enjoy it quite a bit? Should I continue searching? (it seems like I've spent more time on this than my last 2 car purchases!!!) I've hit a bit of piano fatigue and looking for any guidance I can get. Happy to provide additional details if this post isn't enough for some advice.


Are you open to a used piano?


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Re: Grand Piano Choices Starting To Become More Clear, HELP! [Re: Carey] #2882925
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Originally Posted by Carey
All grands are basically the same width. The extra 5-7 inches in length is really inconsequential. If you like the Schimmel, go for it and make it work in your space. You'll be happier in the long run. However, with the kids, I'd suggest keeping the piano covered with some type of thick fabric (draping over the sides) when not in use. This will protect it from dust build up and accidental scratches. smile

I agree the Schimmel sounds great ! Otherwise of the Kawai series GL or better GX.Some of the GL
pianos sound rather brighter than most Kawai grands normally do.

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You will quickly learn how much better you can do if finding and trying this piano below attached. Yes, we are dealers but I really don't care what you buy. What I CAN tell you is that this piano turns heads wherever it is displayed. And amazes those who try it. In fact most competitors hope you'll never find one. Knowing how good it is, one can only sympathize with their sentiments. All good by me....n'ough said! "Shop wisely"
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