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Question about Henle font #2880459 08/16/19 10:06 PM
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I was looking through my old scores the other day and I came to a conclusion about the font which had me asking whether or not to contact the editor multiple questions which don't make any damn sense. Get this, the preface doesn't include information about the work in one opus while in other opuses it does contain the backstory to the compositional process. I tried to contact Henle to ask them what their reasoning is for the purpose of this inconsistency and they did not get back to me. I contacted iTunes to try and get a refund on my Beethoven symphonies which I purchased in 2014 for a little upwards of 50 US dollars, which, is really more now adjusting for inflation, obviously. Suddenly I was unable to download my album from the cloud when I've done it many times before. Now instead of the entire album I can only access like 8 tracks. I don't understand why if the publishers would take down the album then there would still be some tracks available? Makes no sense. So they told me that I did not qualify for a refund which I think is no way to treat a customer for crying out loud. I told them I will not longer be buying anything from their platform. They told me to go to Deutsche Gramaphone about it since they were the ones who pulled the music from iTunes and they got no response back to me. So it's plain to see there is a pattern of disrespect towards the customer. I bust my ass for months saving up for that album and this is the disrespect I get. I'll never by another CD from anyone outside of the US or you're just asking for trouble. Check this out I went down to the local music store and they had urtext for everything except for Debussy's Alto Saxophone rhapsody which I heard on the radio today and I was pissed that they did not have this. This is the problem with the classic music world which is music stores only stock the most popular pieces even though the sax rhapsody gets a fair bit of play time. I was suprised when I looked this piece up and it was only 10 minutes long. From what I could gather it seemed like a much longer piece. Debussy's unique developments or something lol. Let me just set one thing straight, yeah he's one of the greatest composers. A pantheon composer, literally. But, his developments are lacking. When he submitted his Danse Bohemiene to P. Tchaikovsky Tchaikovsky said that it had some pretty ideas but were seriously lacking in proper developement and form, and after reading a few standard theory books I have to agree with Master Tchaikovsky on this one. By the time Debussy was working on his Faune he was experimenting with form based on the tritone which scientifically erases all logic and form, in proper definition, I mean. With that piece he exploded modern music into the modern day. Let me be clear he never actually wrote the rest of the Faune which is a shame. I mean imagine how amazing that piece would be if the mere prelude was that good? It's actually insane. But then La mer came along and yeah well you know the rest even though I think it's less melodic and more about texture and imagery I prefer Faune most days. People underestimate Debussy's orchestration because he was not of the lineage of Rimsky Korsakov and Borodin, but Korsakov's orchestration was innovative compared to Tchaikovsky who did little with Glinka's mastery. And Borodin's usage of orchestral minimalism in Steppes was revolutionary, possibly one of the most cinematic pieces in history. Imagine what he would have done if he actually had film. You listen to that piece and it's like you're there. Debussy was a big fan of Chopin but Debussy rolled his octaves and even his chords, all the time. He said that an octave played without rolling (slightly) is lifeless, and yet Chopin expressed disdain for rolling unless instructed to by the music? Mindbogglering how these two unique masters disagree on this issue. But that is a subject for another thread. Back to the issue at hand here we were talking about the font in my Henle texts which seems to be copying a very specific font which I can't place anywhere but I know I've seen it. Take a peek inside one of your editions and tell me if you know what I'm talking about. I tried to look it up online but there wasn't any information about it, so it's like what the heck. I really want to know because I'm working on my own editions with Sibelius and I'm shooting for that look and font is absolutely essential to the overall feel and experience.

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Re: Question about Henle font [Re: JoelW] #2880486 08/17/19 02:31 AM
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Re: Question about Henle font [Re: JoelW] #2880487 08/17/19 02:39 AM
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Talking about fonts...

Re: Question about Henle font [Re: JoelW] #2880507 08/17/19 05:23 AM
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we have a post written asking for help with fonts but written in a wild disjointed style in a difficult to read font. Seems like another hoax post. It can’t really be from someone wanting help.

Re: Question about Henle font [Re: dogperson] #2880536 08/17/19 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by dogperson
we have a post written asking for help with fonts but written in a wild disjointed style in a difficult to read font. Seems like another hoax post. It can’t really be from someone wanting help.

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Re: Question about Henle font [Re: JoelW] #2880733 08/17/19 07:59 PM
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Well, the Black Forest Gnomes quit hand engraving notation for Henle around 2000, but I'm not sure they ever had anything to do with the text material. 🎼😁


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Re: Question about Henle font [Re: JoelW] #2880737 08/17/19 08:14 PM
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I see what you mean: the one on the left (older Chopin Etudes) is two-column bold, and the one on the right (newer Bach WTC) is three-column plain. Some of the older editions have front material in three-column bold(er) format.

As for the font family, it may be proprietary to Henle.

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I think there is a publishing trend to use lighter, brighter looking fonts (i.e. to use less bold), which--of course--saves ink.


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Re: Question about Henle font [Re: JoelW] #2880741 08/17/19 08:37 PM
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And this is the "individual" Henle for Bach's Italian Concerto. It has a brief into in the three languages and a few comments on details of the score (which usually go in the back).

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I'm always seeing that distinctive W that looks like two Vs lapping over on each other in the middle. Could be the Bach Musicological Font (or something similar), but I haven't actually used that font in years. http://www.mu.qub.ac.uk/tomita/bachfont/


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Re: Question about Henle font [Re: JoelW] #2880857 08/18/19 08:27 AM
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The type is likely a flavor of Bodoni. https://www.fonts.com/font/linotype/bodoni


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