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Schiedemayer piano manufactures #2879600
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Does anyone know if Schiedemayer still manufactures pianos in Germany.? I recently saw this brand piano in a piano dealer which mainly sells European pianos.The piano looked like a " typical German
upright "being sold for about $4000 .
Being curious I enquired over the phone and the lady said it was made in Korea. (a used piano )
Is this just a stencil or are these being made for Schiedemeyer ?

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Re: Schiedemayer piano manufactures [Re: Lady Bird] #2879615
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are you referring to the Schiedmayer piano makers ? they weren't made in Germany after 1984, according to Roberts in Oxford (who know their german piano makers quite well).

http://www.robertspianos.com/cdetails.php?ID=132&Make=Schiedmayer

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OK so I really am behind times.I had no idea they had ceased
making pianos so long ago.I have an in interest in all these
European pianos as many of them were part of the development
of different stylistic elements in Classical and Romantic music.
Thank you for your information.

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The company sold decades ago to an Indian couple living in Stuttgart. Thinking they may still be involved in making Celestas. https://www.celesta-schiedmayer.de/en/
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Re: Schiedemayer piano manufactures [Re: Lady Bird] #2879682
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Originally Posted by Lady Bird
OK so I really am behind times.I had no idea they had ceased
making pianos so long ago.I have an in interest in all these
European pianos as many of them were part of the development
of different stylistic elements in Classical and Romantic music.
Thank you for your information.


They now just have a celesta factory. If you thought Steinway were ubiquitous on the concert stage, consider the Schiedmayer celesta. Nearly every orchestra and concert hall in the world has a Schiedmayer celesta.

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Originally Posted by johnstaf
Originally Posted by Lady Bird
OK so I really am behind times.I had no idea they had ceased
making pianos so long ago.I have an in interest in all these
European pianos as many of them were part of the development
of different stylistic elements in Classical and Romantic music.
Thank you for your information.


They now just have a celesta factory. If you thought Steinway were ubiquitous on the concert stage, consider the Schiedmayer celesta. Virtually every orchestra and concert hall in the world has a Schiedmayer celesta. They have no competitors.

So interesting! It is a an enchanting outcome especially since Schiedemeyer has been making keyboard instruments for centuries! The fortepiano and the piano were just a natural development
from thier harpsichords and clavichords .I wonder if this manufacturer in Korea is making pianos for them ?
I think I read that during the early stages of Sauter they made harpsichords as well ?
These 2 piano manufactures were quite close to each other then.Stuttgart and Spaichingen.

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There was a time in the 1980s when Schiedmayer and Kawai had a partnership. I helped a student buy a 49" Kawai back then that was better than the Kawai norm, very German in its clarity and tonal warmth; I was told by a tech that it was a Schiedmayer made in Japan and sold under the Kawai name. It was, and remains, a superb upright, better than any Kawai upright I've played (and I should add that I am a Kawai fan).

Years later, I encountered an actual 49" Schiedmayer made in Japan in the same era, with the name Schiedmayer on the fallboard. It was just as fine, and very German in flavor. Seemingly the same piano.

I don't think this Schiedmayer/Kawai partnership lasted long, or was ever well known. A trial marriage, that was more like an affair. I guess you could call these stencil pianos, but I like the quiet affair idea.


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It is even more complicated, because there was Schiedmayer as well as Schiedmayer und Soehne, separate companies both in Stuttgart. Schiedmayer had the partnership with Kawai. Schiedmayer Celestas are an outgrowth of the Schiedmayer und Sohne, but separate as well.


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Originally Posted by Peter K. Mose
There was a time in the 1980s when Schiedmayer and Kawai had a partnership. I helped a student buy a 49" Kawai back then that was better than the Kawai norm, very German in its clarity and tonal warmth; I was told by a tech that it was a Schiedmayer made in Japan and sold under the Kawai name. It was, and remains, a superb upright, better than any Kawai upright I've played (and I should add that I am a Kawai fan).

Years later, I encountered an actual 49" Schiedmayer made in Japan in the same era, with the name Schiedmayer on the fallboard. It was just as fine, and very German in flavor. Seemingly the same piano.

I don't think this Schiedmayer/Kawai partnership lasted long, or was ever well known. A trial marriage, that was more like an affair. I guess you could call these stencil pianos, but I like the quiet affair idea.


I do not know if this is related but I have just bought a Kawai upright KL502.
When I first played the piano I was completely amazed by the tone.It has an
extremely mellow tone .,it sounds like a European piano! This piano must have
been voiced like this by the factory.It was made in 1983 or 1984 in Japan according to
the Peirce Atlas.I would like to think that this Kawai piano was influenced by Shiedemayor
in voicing this piano in this way in the factory.
Fortunately the action and response of the piano is excellent as well.Although it is
a " grey" it has been in Vancouver for 22 years.It seems to not have been played very much.
It was a reasonable price as well.
Sorry for the distraction but this story of Schademayor and Kawai was just too
much for me. This Kawai piano is also a 49".

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Actually I see this Kawai of mine was made in 1984 or 1985 ( 1520919)That was after another look at Pierce.A Japanese piano with a German voice ? Perhaps this a result of this love affair between
Kawai and Schiedemayor ? I realise this Kawai piano was a massed produced piano at that time however.Still is is even more special.

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Lady Bird, do cherish this 49" Japanese love child. Or let us know if ever you are thinking of giving it up for adoption.

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Originally Posted by Peter K. Mose
Lady Bird, do cherish this 49" Japanese love child. Or let us know if ever you are thinking of giving it up for adoption.

I shall let you know but I doubt we would ever get rid of her.She is not as glamorous as my Sauter which is capable of a lot more but more like a grand.
I never thought I would buy a piano by playing it just once ! I also have never heard a Kawai sound as mellow as this piano before and I love the tone of Kawai pianos.I had a 1968 Kawai grand for most
of my life.
Thank you for telling me the story of the Kawai and Schiedemayor experience.As I said I know that
this Japanese made Kawai was mass produced but I feel sure that the Schiedemeyer imprint has been left on the tone of this mass produced instrument.
She has a quieter tone than the tall Sauter so sometimes it is nicer to practice on when my husband
works on his book in the next room.
Best wishes!

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Interesting discussion. I just spent the last week staying somewhere that had a Schiedmayer und Soehne grand piano in the drawing room. It must have been easily 120 years old and for most of its time has been sitting in a dusty cold environment with no heating in the north of Scotland. It was clearly capable of restoration and had a few faults - the una corda wasn't working for instance. But it kept its tune nicely and had a lovely soft touch and equally soft mellow timbre, a little bit Bluthner-esque I thought, very gentle and tame.


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