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Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: CyberGene] #2879108 08/13/19 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
It's not the typical V-shaped sound that's indeed best for hip-hop, etc. It's a very slight V-shaped sound but I can still notice it in comparison to HD-595. I'm not saying they are bad. I could adapt in a matter of minutes and they were OK afterwards. However I prefer HD-595. And it would be just a matter of taste. I've heard people loving ATH-M50x on their digital pianos and those are much more V-shaped. I'm not sure who recommended to me the HD-595-s in this forum many years ago but I thank him again smile

My suggestion is give them some 'burn in' time. When I first used my Yamaha HPH-200 headphones I didn't like them. They sounded veiled and 'woolly' sounding with a pretty brittle top end. But after using them more and more they are becoming favourites. Maybe it's my ears adjusting to them, but I've experienced the 'burn in' improvements (more balanced, smoother and better depth) on numerous speakers and headphones in the past.


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Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879119 08/13/19 08:59 AM
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Even when open back is probably better, I think I prefer closed back headphones simply because i don't want to be distracted by sound around me.

I use a pair of $35 superlux closed back headphones and i think they are great. Sound is "flat" to me, i can't play piano with bass/trebly heavy headphones. If they ever break i might try the same but open back model to see if that's even better.

Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879160 08/13/19 10:37 AM
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Just an observation here..... regarding open vs closed. OK, I am going to get flamed here... but here goes...

1 - At "low prices" say sub-$100, the design aspects, construction, marketing copy etc. are pretty meaningless. The tonality quality of a particular design aspect will be drowned in cheapness.
2 - If isolation is important, then of course an over-the-ear, closed back unit becomes important
3 - If sound quality is important, you really should disregard these design aspects as some sort of way of eliminating phones from concideration. You really must listen to them.. there are so many design aspects that when it comes to tonality and presentation, closed vs open is just not that important... even in more expensive equipment. Don't limit yourself or over-emphasis some of these single aspects.

For home audio, I swore I would never buy a ported speaker ever as they have design challenges to overcome. Today, I own ported Focal speakers... just beautiful. It is less the "design" and more the detailed engineering that makes good sound.

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Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879164 08/13/19 10:47 AM
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Open vs. closed is a non-issue for me. I hate closed phones. They're intolerable, both for sound and for comfort.

Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879168 08/13/19 11:01 AM
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The headphone war rages on.

I think the best thing about an acoustic piano is playing it without headphones. What a relief to not have to wear any headphones. So, I say a pox on both houses, closed and open.

I know, this is the digital piano forum, carry on. Sorry for the interruption.


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Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879172 08/13/19 11:12 AM
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I think the best thing about an acoustic piano is playing it without headphones. What a relief to not have to wear any headphones. So, I say a pox on both houses, closed and open.

I’ll only trade my HD800’s in for a working Cone of Silence



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Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2879176 08/13/19 11:18 AM
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I think the best thing about an acoustic piano is playing it without headphones. What a relief to not have to wear any headphones. So, I say a pox on both houses, closed and open.

I’ll only trade my HD800’s in for a working Cone of Silence



Haha, you know, I think you could install a cone of silence in your apartment. Haven’t you been in court where the judge used a cone of silence?

I’m just amazed the cops aren’t pounding on my door. Arrest the piano player, I can hear people shouting.

I mentioned that my teacher’s downstairs neighbors call her to check on her if they don’t hear her piano. I think they offer to bring up food. There are a lot of Russians in her building. If things get bad here, I’ll move into the Russian apartment house. They’ve had worse than piano practice.

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Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2879200 08/13/19 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
1 - At "low prices" say sub-$100, the design aspects, construction, marketing copy etc. are pretty meaningless. The tonality quality of a particular design aspect will be drowned in cheapness.

Disagree. I think there are some fine headphones for under $100. For example, the Sennheiser 559 which is essentially similar to most other 5** models. Audio Technica 700x. The famous Sony closed backed 7506. Etc.

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The Sennheiser folks, using a tactic popular with other consumer goods makers, recycle the 5-series headphones in a baffling number of iterations to confuse the consumer. I know these 5-series headphones are well liked and very popular here for digitial piano use. For listening to classical music or Jazz these are not my favourites. YMMV.

Basically the 5-series are the same around-ear headphone with some minor tweaks (e.g. color, metal grille, additional short cables & adapters, inline mic, added "foam tape","exclusive" Amazon model, etc.). The two closed end models have modified drivers.

I think this table gives a reasonable idea of what Senn is selling although it is not complete (USD list prices)

559_______$99__Open__50Ω_108dB_1cable
569_______$179_Closed_23Ω_115dB_2cables&Mic
579_______$199_Open__50Ω_106dB_1cable&3.5mm adapter
599_______$249_Open__50Ω_106dB_2cables&3.5mm adapter

_"Amazon edition or factory website only"
598CS_____$249_Closed_23Ω_115dB_2cables
598SR_____$249_Open__50Ω_112dB_2cables&3.5mm adapter

Some of the lower-priced models have a small strip of foam tape to "boost bass" and "mess up higher fq". That foam tape was included in the 559 and 579 but excluded from the 599. Just remove the 3cm tape for a free "upgrade":

https://www.headfonia.com/sennheisers-new-hd558-and-hd598/3/

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-foam-mod-lives-on-the-sennheiser-hd-5x9-lineup.853644/

Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: newer player] #2879217 08/13/19 01:18 PM
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I didn't imply anything about being "fine" or good or bad. My point is that at that price point, there are so many compromises being made by engineering to hit such a low cost that worrying about one aspect of design is a useless exercise. A useless exercise in helping you find a "fine" headphone.

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Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879387 08/13/19 08:56 PM
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I like open headphone, and HPH200 too. It's comfortable, lightweight and acceptable sound quality with reasonable price.
It's not a real HIFI headphone but very suitable for DP. I can play with it for long time without fatigue.
Im satisfied this choice 4years ago after comparing, and looking forward an upgrade model coming out.


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