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Can anyone recommend a hardware device to record line out from my N2?

I can't do this via software for various reasons - primarily because my only PC is used for PT and despite lots of helpful advice earlier, I've been unable to work out how to get the PC to render PT sound, and then record the mix of this with native N2 sound.

I can't afford another PC, but surely there must be something that can digitally record line out (I don't need microphones) onto a WAV file.

(I do have an iPad, but don't know whether this could do reasonable recording, or what cables I'd need)

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You can look for "portable field recorder", "portable recorder" or "field recorder" from e.g. Roland, Tascam, Zoom, Medeli.

Typically they are small(ish) devices with stereo microphones, but may also have a line input.

Alternatively there are "audio interfaces" that plug into an iPad via USB/Lightning: https://www.gearank.com/guides/ipad-audio-interface

But that's actually pretty much all I know as I haven't used any of those. Others can continue from here...

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Yes portable audio recorder would be a good solution. Alternatively, if you want a desktop recorder, loot at Denon DN700R. It is a fantastic piece of hardware on SD cards, it has analog and digital input and it is a very stable recorder. Hope this help.

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If you're using Pianoteq you could surely record your live performance as a MIDI file (Pianoteq does have MIDI recorder built-in) and then afterwards, either...

1.) Open Pianoteq into any 3rd-party VST host software which offers audio recording too. ( eg. Herman Sieb's excellent free VST Host progam is a great example which can render 32 bit floating point WAV files from any MIDI file playback. Alternatively Reaper is free and will do the job, but it's a more complex full studio DAW software (probably the best out there - and free!!!) so does probably have a steeper learning curve if you're a beginner.)

2.) You could also repeat step 1 using many other software VST pianos like Ivory, or Garritan CFX, or VSL Steinway D, etc. to compare the rendered WAVs of these pianos from the same source MIDI file.

3.) Playback your MIDI file (via USB) to recreate the performance again through your Yamaha N2, which itself could then be recorded, either externally as you suggest on a basic cheap handheld WAV recorder like Zoom H1n or Tascam DR05X or similar, or back into your computer and recorded using almost any suitable WAV audio recording software (hundreds of examples to choose) or again Reaper is free and will do the job. Working this way might help you as the computer doesn't need to be running Pianoteq at the same time so less CPU workload or conflicts with your ASIO routing or whatever...

Finally, you mention "mixing" the sound of your Yamaha N2 with the sound of Pianoteq…??? General wisdom is it's a bad idea to layer two disparate piano tracks on top of one another, so can't see why you're wanting to do that really.

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Yes to this ...
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General wisdom is it's a bad idea to layer two disparate piano tracks on top of one another, so can't see why you're wanting to do that really.

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Thanks, I think I'll go for a H1N or similar then.

I know it's not a great idea layering tracks, but I get the best of both worlds that way - I get the playability of PT, and can offset the slightly artificial PT sound with the more authentic N2 sounds (which don't however have enough bass or resonance which I can get from PT).

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Originally Posted by Chris Warren
despite lots of helpful advice earlier, I've been unable to work out how to get the PC to render PT sound, and then record the mix of this with native N2 sound.

Free software for Windows to do this.


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Those Zooms have had good reviews. And the price is right, eh?
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Thanks, I think I'll go for a H1N or similar then.
I know it's not a great idea layering tracks, but I get the best of both worlds that way - I get the playability of PT, and can offset the slightly artificial PT sound with the more authentic N2 sounds (which don't however have enough bass or resonance which I can get from PT).
You know, instead of covering Pianoteq's faults by mixing in another piano, why not just buy a different virtual instrument? Most are better than Pianoteq, and most are cheaper, too.

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The Sony PCM D50 is one of the best handheld recorders I ever had...can be found cheap enough second hand...not sure what the outputs of the N2 are like...but it has an optical in, as well as analog.

That said, there's no reason you shouldn't be able to get it working seamlessly with Protools if you have an interface...you even just record the MIDI into Protools and then send it all back to the N2 and record that...

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I don't think the H1n has stereo "line in" jacks. I'm sure the H4n _does_ have them. I don't know about the H2.


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Originally Posted by Chris Warren
Thanks, I think I'll go for a H1N or similar then.

I know it's not a great idea layering tracks, but I get the best of both worlds that way - I get the playability of PT, and can offset the slightly artificial PT sound with the more authentic N2 sounds (which don't however have enough bass or resonance which I can get from PT).

Maybe you should just use a different VST that meets all of your requirements?


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