Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2.7 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
Piano Forums & Piano World
(ad)
Best of Piano Buyer
 Best of Piano Buyer
(ad)
Piano Life Saver - Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
Find a Professional
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Advertise on Piano World

(ad)
Accu-Tuner
Sanderson Accu-Tuner
Who's Online Now
91 registered members (20/20 Vision, 5150917069, Burkie, Biggoof16, Bill McKaig,RPT, AlphaBravoCharlie, anotherscott, Blague, 20 invisible), 1,275 guests, and 9 spiders.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad)
Estonia Pianos
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords & Scales
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Hop To
Page 2 of 2 1 2
Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: CyberGene] #2879108
08/13/19 08:37 AM
08/13/19 08:37 AM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 93
C
Craig Richards Offline
Full Member
Craig Richards  Offline
Full Member
C

Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 93
Originally Posted by CyberGene
It's not the typical V-shaped sound that's indeed best for hip-hop, etc. It's a very slight V-shaped sound but I can still notice it in comparison to HD-595. I'm not saying they are bad. I could adapt in a matter of minutes and they were OK afterwards. However I prefer HD-595. And it would be just a matter of taste. I've heard people loving ATH-M50x on their digital pianos and those are much more V-shaped. I'm not sure who recommended to me the HD-595-s in this forum many years ago but I thank him again smile

My suggestion is give them some 'burn in' time. When I first used my Yamaha HPH-200 headphones I didn't like them. They sounded veiled and 'woolly' sounding with a pretty brittle top end. But after using them more and more they are becoming favourites. Maybe it's my ears adjusting to them, but I've experienced the 'burn in' improvements (more balanced, smoother and better depth) on numerous speakers and headphones in the past.


Pianist, Composer & Arranger
(ad) SWEETWATER Lowest Prices
Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879119
08/13/19 08:59 AM
08/13/19 08:59 AM
Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 241
U
U3piano Offline
Full Member
U3piano  Offline
Full Member
U

Joined: Dec 2018
Posts: 241
Even when open back is probably better, I think I prefer closed back headphones simply because i don't want to be distracted by sound around me.

I use a pair of $35 superlux closed back headphones and i think they are great. Sound is "flat" to me, i can't play piano with bass/trebly heavy headphones. If they ever break i might try the same but open back model to see if that's even better.

Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879160
08/13/19 10:37 AM
08/13/19 10:37 AM
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 262
Philadelphia
Bruce In Philly Offline
Full Member
Bruce In Philly  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 262
Philadelphia
Just an observation here..... regarding open vs closed. OK, I am going to get flamed here... but here goes...

1 - At "low prices" say sub-$100, the design aspects, construction, marketing copy etc. are pretty meaningless. The tonality quality of a particular design aspect will be drowned in cheapness.
2 - If isolation is important, then of course an over-the-ear, closed back unit becomes important
3 - If sound quality is important, you really should disregard these design aspects as some sort of way of eliminating phones from concideration. You really must listen to them.. there are so many design aspects that when it comes to tonality and presentation, closed vs open is just not that important... even in more expensive equipment. Don't limit yourself or over-emphasis some of these single aspects.

For home audio, I swore I would never buy a ported speaker ever as they have design challenges to overcome. Today, I own ported Focal speakers... just beautiful. It is less the "design" and more the detailed engineering that makes good sound.

Peace
Bruce in Philly

Last edited by Bruce In Philly; 08/13/19 10:47 AM.

Peace
Bruce in Philly
Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879164
08/13/19 10:47 AM
08/13/19 10:47 AM
Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 9,262
Raleigh, North Carolina
MacMacMac Offline
9000 Post Club Member
MacMacMac  Offline
9000 Post Club Member

Joined: Sep 2009
Posts: 9,262
Raleigh, North Carolina
Open vs. closed is a non-issue for me. I hate closed phones. They're intolerable, both for sound and for comfort.

Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879168
08/13/19 11:01 AM
08/13/19 11:01 AM
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 974
New York City
L
LarryK Offline
500 Post Club Member
LarryK  Offline
500 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 974
New York City
The headphone war rages on.

I think the best thing about an acoustic piano is playing it without headphones. What a relief to not have to wear any headphones. So, I say a pox on both houses, closed and open.

I know, this is the digital piano forum, carry on. Sorry for the interruption.


Yamaha U1 Silent Piano
Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879172
08/13/19 11:12 AM
08/13/19 11:12 AM
Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 6,301
Tyrone Slothrop Online content
Tyrone Slothrop  Online Content

6000 Post Club Member

Joined: Apr 2018
Posts: 6,301
Originally Posted by LarryK
I think the best thing about an acoustic piano is playing it without headphones. What a relief to not have to wear any headphones. So, I say a pox on both houses, closed and open.

I’ll only trade my HD800’s in for a working Cone of Silence



across the stone, deathless piano performances

"Discipline is more reliable than motivation." -by a contributor on Reddit r/piano
"Success is 10% inspiration, and 90% perspiration." -by some other wise person
"Pianoteq manages to keep it all together yet simultaneously also go in all directions; like a quantum particle entangled with an unknown and spooky parallel universe simply waiting to be discovered." -by Pete14
Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2879176
08/13/19 11:18 AM
08/13/19 11:18 AM
Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 974
New York City
L
LarryK Offline
500 Post Club Member
LarryK  Offline
500 Post Club Member
L

Joined: Feb 2019
Posts: 974
New York City
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by LarryK
I think the best thing about an acoustic piano is playing it without headphones. What a relief to not have to wear any headphones. So, I say a pox on both houses, closed and open.

I’ll only trade my HD800’s in for a working Cone of Silence



Haha, you know, I think you could install a cone of silence in your apartment. Haven’t you been in court where the judge used a cone of silence?

I’m just amazed the cops aren’t pounding on my door. Arrest the piano player, I can hear people shouting.

I mentioned that my teacher’s downstairs neighbors call her to check on her if they don’t hear her piano. I think they offer to bring up food. There are a lot of Russians in her building. If things get bad here, I’ll move into the Russian apartment house. They’ve had worse than piano practice.

Last edited by LarryK; 08/13/19 11:23 AM.

Yamaha U1 Silent Piano
Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Bruce In Philly] #2879200
08/13/19 12:30 PM
08/13/19 12:30 PM
Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,450
Lampedusa
N
newer player Offline
1000 Post Club Member
newer player  Offline
1000 Post Club Member
N

Joined: Jan 2016
Posts: 1,450
Lampedusa
Originally Posted by Bruce In Philly
1 - At "low prices" say sub-$100, the design aspects, construction, marketing copy etc. are pretty meaningless. The tonality quality of a particular design aspect will be drowned in cheapness.

Disagree. I think there are some fine headphones for under $100. For example, the Sennheiser 559 which is essentially similar to most other 5** models. Audio Technica 700x. The famous Sony closed backed 7506. Etc.

Originally Posted by newer player
The Sennheiser folks, using a tactic popular with other consumer goods makers, recycle the 5-series headphones in a baffling number of iterations to confuse the consumer. I know these 5-series headphones are well liked and very popular here for digitial piano use. For listening to classical music or Jazz these are not my favourites. YMMV.

Basically the 5-series are the same around-ear headphone with some minor tweaks (e.g. color, metal grille, additional short cables & adapters, inline mic, added "foam tape","exclusive" Amazon model, etc.). The two closed end models have modified drivers.

I think this table gives a reasonable idea of what Senn is selling although it is not complete (USD list prices)

559_______$99__Open__50Ω_108dB_1cable
569_______$179_Closed_23Ω_115dB_2cables&Mic
579_______$199_Open__50Ω_106dB_1cable&3.5mm adapter
599_______$249_Open__50Ω_106dB_2cables&3.5mm adapter

_"Amazon edition or factory website only"
598CS_____$249_Closed_23Ω_115dB_2cables
598SR_____$249_Open__50Ω_112dB_2cables&3.5mm adapter

Some of the lower-priced models have a small strip of foam tape to "boost bass" and "mess up higher fq". That foam tape was included in the 559 and 579 but excluded from the 599. Just remove the 3cm tape for a free "upgrade":

https://www.headfonia.com/sennheisers-new-hd558-and-hd598/3/

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/the-foam-mod-lives-on-the-sennheiser-hd-5x9-lineup.853644/

Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: newer player] #2879217
08/13/19 01:18 PM
08/13/19 01:18 PM
Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 262
Philadelphia
Bruce In Philly Offline
Full Member
Bruce In Philly  Offline
Full Member

Joined: Jul 2018
Posts: 262
Philadelphia
I didn't imply anything about being "fine" or good or bad. My point is that at that price point, there are so many compromises being made by engineering to hit such a low cost that worrying about one aspect of design is a useless exercise. A useless exercise in helping you find a "fine" headphone.

Peace
Bruce in Philly

Last edited by Bruce In Philly; 08/13/19 01:19 PM.

Peace
Bruce in Philly
Re: Closed v Open Headphones [Re: Colin Miles] #2879387
08/13/19 08:56 PM
08/13/19 08:56 PM
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 115
R
robinlb Online content
Full Member
robinlb  Online Content
Full Member
R

Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 115
I like open headphone, and HPH200 too. It's comfortable, lightweight and acceptable sound quality with reasonable price.
It's not a real HIFI headphone but very suitable for DP. I can play with it for long time without fatigue.
Im satisfied this choice 4years ago after comparing, and looking forward an upgrade model coming out.


CA98~~RME ADI2 DAC~~VSL CFX&D274&Bluthner1895
Page 2 of 2 1 2

Moderated by  Piano World 

Shop our Store for Music Lovers!
PianoSupplies.com is Piano World's Online Store
Please visit our store today.
(ad)
Pianoteq
PianoTeq Bechstein
(ad)
Faust Harrison Pianos
Faust Harrison 100+ Steinway pianos
New Topics - Multiple Forums
IVst in midi controller or digital piano
by fraska. 09/23/19 02:36 AM
I don’t know why I bother
by WeakLeftHand. 09/22/19 11:30 PM
lost 10gb off ssd just installing free Kontakt 6
by MooganDavid. 09/22/19 09:42 PM
Piano purchase
by Biggoof16. 09/22/19 08:37 PM
What's Hot!!
Our August Newsletter is Out!
------------------
Mason & Hamlin Piano Factory Tour!

-------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums RULES & HELP
-------------------
ADVERTISE on Piano World
Forum Statistics
Forums41
Topics194,176
Posts2,872,321
Members94,481
Most Online15,252
Mar 21st, 2010
Please Support Our Advertisers


Faust Harrison 100+ Steinways

Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver

 Best of Piano Buyer

PianoTeq Bechstein
Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers


 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
| Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter |


copyright 1997 - 2019 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.1