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Th world's smallest cast iron piano frame?
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Hi all,

I held in my hand today a demonstrator of the power of vacuum casting when manufacturing piano frames. This is the smallest (and qute detailed) cast iron frame I have ever seen:

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Pretty cool, huh?


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Or is it a regular piano frame being held by a GIANT????

But yes, really neat, thanks for sharing smile


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Rich Galassini #2877900 08/09/19 01:25 AM
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I wonder if there would be a market for those. I would like one.


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Originally Posted by Chrispy
Or is it a regular piano frame being held by a GIANT????:)

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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
I wonder if there would be a market for those. I would like one.

Yes same here ,but how would one display it ?

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Build a miniature piano to put it in!! Seriously, I've always dreamed of building scale models of pianos!

That plate looks like it's from a Yamaha C5, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by PhilipInChina
I wonder if there would be a market for those. I would like one.


I would as well. It is possible, I suppose. For now it is only for demonstration.

Originally Posted by LovingPianos

That plate looks like it's from a Yamaha C5, isn't it?


Could be. Frankly I hadn't thought about it, but the scale is close enough. Good eye.

By the way, I learned something interesting. In Yamaha's Ikawa factory that manufactures their piano frames, they also build engine components for Lexus. There engine parts need to be exact to small fractions of a millimeter. Interesting stuff.


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Originally Posted by Chrispy
Or is it a regular piano frame being held by a GIANT????

But yes, really neat, thanks for sharing smile


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Rich - that is really cool! I’d frame it. So after seeing Yamaha’s demonstration about vacuum cast plates, do you believe that it’s every bit as good as sand casting plates or not? Does Yamaha also use vacuum casting on their S and CF lines?


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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini

By the way, I learned something interesting. In Yamaha's Ikawa factory that manufactures their piano frames, they also build engine components for Lexus. There engine parts need to be exact to small fractions of a millimeter. Interesting stuff.


Yamaha Motor Company is a separate company. It is partially owned by Yamaha Corporation and Toyota, and has been making engines and engine parts for Toyota, Ford, Volvo and other manufacturers for a very long time. With its metal working capability, I shouldn't be surprising that Yamaha Motor Co supplies parts to both Toyota and Yamaha, the musical instrument maker, or that Yamaha makes parts for Toyota.

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I'd love to put one of these on my piano as an ornament. I don't like ornaments generally, but this is lovely. I'd also like one of those action models, but they're very expensive.

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That why Lexus is probably the best built car today. IMHO.


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Originally Posted by LovingPianos
Build a miniature piano to put it in!! Seriously, I've always dreamed of building scale models of pianos!

And when you meet a genie, ask him for a 12 inch pianist!


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Originally Posted by j&j
Rich - that is really cool! I’d frame it.[...]


Yes, I'd put it in a black-framed shadow box against a black or a red velvet background.

Rich: Are you taking orders? smile

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Rich: Are you taking orders? smile

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Ha ha. I wish I could. But all of a sudden there seems to be a market for this. I will pass along this feedback. If it becomes available for sale someday, PW can take the credit!


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Originally Posted by j&j
Rich - that is really cool! I’d frame it. So after seeing Yamaha’s demonstration about vacuum cast plates, do you believe that it’s every bit as good as sand casting plates or not? Does Yamaha also use vacuum casting on their S and CF lines?


Yamaha uses traditional sand casting on their CF line and I brought this up to Yamaha experts during this session ( I held this frame at a Yamaha sponsored program). I was told that during the process of casting a CF piano's frame there are some additives used that are not possible in the V-Pro process. When I followed up for the specifics the engineer making the presentation did not know specifically what additives were used.

I am sure that this person was being perfectly honest, but from a marketing point of view - all other pianos in this category use sand cast plates (unless I am missing something). Again, from a marketing perspective alone, it would make sense for Yamaha to sand cast a plate for the CF series.

My 2 cents,


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Rich - Thanks so much for the info. If heard that sand casting takes significantly longer to cool and temper the plate, which makes it even stronger than the V-Pro casting. It makes sense to only use sand casting on much lower production, much higher quality and priced pianos like the CF line. When you’re paying as much for a piano as my first three houses individually cost, you only want the finest casting and materials used. Thanks again!


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Rich - that is really cool! I’d frame it. So after seeing Yamaha’s demonstration about vacuum cast plates, do you believe that it’s every bit as good as sand casting plates or not? Does Yamaha also use vacuum casting on their S and CF lines?


Yamaha uses traditional sand casting on their CF line and I brought this up to Yamaha experts during this session ( I held this frame at a Yamaha sponsored program). I was told that during the process of casting a CF piano's frame there are some additives used that are not possible in the V-Pro process. When I followed up for the specifics the engineer making the presentation did not know specifically what additives were used.

I am sure that this person was being perfectly honest, but from a marketing point of view - all other pianos in this category use sand cast plates (unless I am missing something). Again, from a marketing perspective alone, it would make sense for Yamaha to sand cast a plate for the CF series.

My 2 cents,

To add on top of it. They told us that they use traditional sand casting on the CF line because the traditional way allowed for more artistic control over the process, and yes that includes putting in additives to better the tonal quality of the frame I'm assuming.

They did not tell us what the additives were because that information is classified, hence not disclosed.

Side note: It was a pleasure getting to know Rich during the Yamaha training session, I loved picking his brain on this stuff.


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