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My memory is fading but I think it was newer_player who first discovered it. He fixed it by loading two instances where each one has only one set of the microphones and then swapping the left-right of only one of them and claiming it improved it drastically. Haven’t tried it myself. And then Jeff admitted that he discovered one of the mic sets was indeed swapped during the development and so he fixed it but his other words were around the lines of “I’m not sure whether I kept the proper (swapped) set for the final version, I may have forgotten to do so, need to check that again†and we never heard from him about that.
IIRC you only have to load two instances if you use close and ambient mics together. If you use ambient only (which I think is the actual binaural recording) you can just mute the close mics and flip the perspective to audience. Did I remember that correctly or was there some element to the close.mics which are binaural as well?
IIRC you only have to load two instances if you use close and ambient mics together. If you use ambient only (which I think is the actual binaural recording) you can just mute the close mics and flip the perspective to audience. Did I remember that correctly or was there some element to the close.mics which are binaural as well?
I think this is correct.
The binaural head mics are KU100 (full>player>default). The KU100 are the ambient channels so you could just mute the close KM84 channels. I suppose that should provide the most "binaural" sound of all and mixing in other mics spoils the "binaural" effect.
Regardless, I preferred mixing in other mics at lower "volumes" with the KU100.
The channel swapping quesiton relating to the binaural mics is clear as day to me. But Garritans tech people looked at that on a technical phone call and politely disagreed providing some technical explainations. The opinion at PianoWorld is split. You should try and decide which you prefer; just run two instances of Garritan and the simple test will take 5 minutes.
But it doesn't matter much to me in the end. I typically use the full>classic>default (with very minor tweaks that are popular here) or more recently rach3master's nice settings.
^^^ Grammarly works great at catching those kinds of typos. Maybe not that typo though.
Update: Grammarly caught that typo. I use it in the Brave or Chrome browser and it really helps catch silly mistakes.
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[The opinion at PianoWorld is split. You should try and decide which you prefer; just run two instances of Garritan and the simple test will take 5 minutes.
But it doesn't matter much to me in the end. I typically use the full>classic>default (with very minor tweaks that are popular here) or more recently rach3master's nice settings.
Yeah, I'm typically quite sensitive to/experienced with binaural effects, and I'm solidly in the "split" category--in the sense that I can't decide whether performer or audience on the ambient channel is correct. The binaural effect, if any, is quite subtle to begin with, and doesn't have really clear stereo separation (which is kind of how a real piano is if you sit further away I think).
Even after trying each, I also just threw up my hands and defaulted to the Classic/Full as well.
[The opinion at PianoWorld is split. You should try and decide which you prefer; just run two instances of Garritan and the simple test will take 5 minutes.
But it doesn't matter much to me in the end. I typically use the full>classic>default (with very minor tweaks that are popular here) or more recently rach3master's nice settings.
Yeah, I'm typically quite sensitive to/experienced with binaural effects, and I'm solidly in the "split" category--in the sense that I can't decide whether performer or audience on the ambient channel is correct. The binaural effect, if any, is quite subtle to begin with, and doesn't have really clear stereo separation (which is kind of how a real piano is if you sit further away I think).
Even after trying each, I also just threw up my hands and defaulted to the Classic/Full as well.
I wonder if it would be possible to figure it out using an analysis tool?
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Yeah, I'm typically quite sensitive to/experienced with binaural effects, and I'm solidly in the "split" category--in the sense that I can't decide whether performer or audience on the ambient channel is correct. The binaural effect, if any, is quite subtle to begin with, and doesn't have really clear stereo separation (which is kind of how a real piano is if you sit further away I think).
Even after trying each, I also just threw up my hands and defaulted to the Classic/Full as well.
Indeed the classic/full is beautiful in Garritan CFX.
The binaural dummy head placement was a practical challenge as the professional piano player was seated at the piano. I can't remember if Garritan put the dummy head just above or just behind the pianist (I do remember the marketing photo in the Garritan CFX glossy brochure is wrong and was taken during the testing process). So maybe the binaural sound was slightly compromised by interference from the pianists body and by imperfect placement of the dummy head.
Phasing effects and ambience probably are other factors making the L/R channel swapping difficult to discern. As Tyrone notes, one could just analyse the mechanical sounds to get to the bottom of the question.
I'm sure Yamaha don't need a pianist when sampling their CFX piano since they have perfect Disclavier system for precise control of velocities. It's probably even an automated sampling process, you start it and then go after one day and all is sampled systematically VSL also claim they use robotized hand that presses the keys so the entire sampling process might be orchestrated by a computer.
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Ah, no. 16 is the one I missed. I think it's Opus 28, however. Thanks, CyberGene.
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I'm sure Yamaha don't need a pianist when sampling their CFX piano since they have perfect Disclavier system for precise control of velocities. It's probably even an automated sampling process, you start it and then go after one day and all is sampled systematically VSL also claim they use robotized hand that presses the keys so the entire sampling process might be orchestrated by a computer.
That's a good point. Didn't know Disklavier was available on CFX but that would definitely be a great way to get perfectly consistent sampling velocities.
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VSL also claim they use robotized hand that presses the keys so the entire sampling process might be orchestrated by a computer.
