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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877140 08/07/19 04:06 AM
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Can we say that NV5 will sound exactly like CA98 when using the soundboard? I'm interested to hear people that have tried CA98 or CS11 to see how the soundboard speaker system compares with something like Yamaha N2/N3X or Roland LX708, or even K200 Aures and U1 Transacoustic?

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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: JoBert] #2877142 08/07/19 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Harpuia
Is it the damper mechanism?


Yes, part of it. wink

Originally Posted by JoBert
Pedal lever and damper rod, I would say.


Wow, you have good eyes!

...or did you just increase the brightness of the picture. wink


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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Harpuia] #2877144 08/07/19 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Harpuia
Can we say that NV5 will sound exactly like CA98 when using the soundboard?


No, not really. The sound engine and speaker system is the same, however the speaker positioning and the overall cabinet size and construction is different.

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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877145 08/07/19 04:16 AM
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...or did you just increase the brightness of the picture. wink
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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877146 08/07/19 04:18 AM
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Does the transducers are the same than those on aures piano ?

Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877148 08/07/19 04:19 AM
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With the real upright pedal lever and damper rod, the pedal should feel more real than an N1X! Does it come with a real upright soft pedal?

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Originally Posted by tblb
Does the transducers are the same than those on aures piano ?


I believe the parts are the same, however AURES instruments use four transducers (two big, two small), whereas the NV5 (and CA98) use two transducers (one big, one small).

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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Harpuia] #2877150 08/07/19 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Harpuia
With the real upright pedal lever and damper rod, the pedal should feel more real than an N1X! Does it come with a real upright soft pedal?


No, only the damper pedal is connected to the action.


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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877151 08/07/19 04:39 AM
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Since there are no strings, why is there a "mechanism" for the damper pedal?

Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877152 08/07/19 04:41 AM
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The NV-5 is a lovely piano and it continues the differentiating feature of Kawai's authentic damper mechanism in the Novus series. I will be waiting for the NV-15! smile Although it's looking like there's a good chance the NV-15 wouldn't have binaural sound either.

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NOVUS NV5 Videos


But can we discuss a serious issue? How does Mina Koike pedal with such high heels? Lola Astanova's aren't that much higher! wink


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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Tyrone Slothrop] #2877158 08/07/19 04:54 AM
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Because this is a promotional vidieo perhaps?
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
But can we discuss a serious issue? How does Mina Koike pedal with such high heels? Lola Astanova's aren't that much higher! wink

Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877159 08/07/19 04:55 AM
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TS: While we're at it ... this NV5 has an upright action. Your N1X has a grand action, am I right?

Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: MacMacMac] #2877160 08/07/19 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Since there are no strings, why is there a "mechanism" for the damper pedal?


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In addition to featuring a full acoustic upright piano keyboard action, the Novus NV5 also incorporates a real upright piano damper mechanism. While there are no strings inside the NV5 to require physical damping, this unique feature replicates the true weighting of an acoustic piano damper pedal, while also mechanically easing the keyboard action’s touch weight as the pedal is pressed – an important acoustic piano characteristic that only Novus instruments are able to reproduce.


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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: MacMacMac] #2877161 08/07/19 05:00 AM
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TS: While we're at it ... this NV5 has an upright action. Your N1X has a grand action, am I right?

The N1X has a grand action. That's why I'd wait to see the NV-15 before thinking about any upgrades. Also, if the NV-15 is only an NV-10 with a soundboard and still no binaural sound, I'd likely not upgrade even then because a soundboard is just not useful to me living in the city with anti-piano activists running amok as neighbours!


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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877168 08/07/19 05:15 AM
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I'm wondering if the real damper mechanism and the changing weight of the keys (depending on whether they also push the dampers or not) are really a good thing. They emulate the real piano behavior which is the main point, and it's a fair point. However they present a challenge for the pianist who needs to dynamically alter his touch depending on whether damper is pressed, since one and same force applied to they key will result in different velocity of the hammer, because of the different weight, that ultimately contributes to different static and dynamic weight. I mean, if piano builders had the chance to remove that particular artifact, they would have done so, wouldn't they? I'm not going to argue an AvantGrand piano is better without real dampers and apparently it would make it easier for pianists to switch between it and real pianos, however on the other side a pianist would be able to play more expressively when the static and dynamic weights are fixed and he doesn't need to constantly cope with those changes. Maybe the best solution would be to have those dampers and the rod but be able to mechanically disengage it and thus make the key weighting fixed and predictable, hence easier to control.


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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: CyberGene] #2877171 08/07/19 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by CyberGene
I'm wondering if the real damper mechanism and the changing weight of the keys (depending on whether they also push the dampers or not) are really a good thing. They emulate the real piano behavior which is the main point, and it's a fair point. However they present a challenge for the pianist who needs to dynamically alter his touch depending on whether damper is pressed, since one and same force applied to they key will result in different velocity of the hammer, because of the different weight, that ultimately contributes to different static and dynamic weight. I mean, if piano builders had the chance to remove that particular artifact, they would have done so, wouldn't they? I'm not going to argue an AvantGrand piano is better without real dampers and apparently it would make it easier for pianists to switch between it and real pianos, however on the other side a pianist would be able to play more expressively when the static and dynamic weights are fixed and he doesn't need to constantly cope with those changes. Maybe the best solution would be to have those dampers and the rod but be able to mechanically disengage it and thus make the key weighting fixed and predictable, hence easier to control.

I agree completely, and it belongs in my old thread on this topic which I am going to revived by adding your observation!


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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877173 08/07/19 05:26 AM
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Thanks. So ... with an upright action the NV5 won't be on my list.

And since both the NV10 and N1X have a grand action ... price comparison becomes a consideration for me.
Here are the US selling prices from the prices paid thread:
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NV10
. 9750. . Feb 2018. . CA
.10999. . May 2018. . MI
.10000. . Jun 2018. . CA
. 9999. . Jan 2019. . WI
. 8128. . Jan 2019. . CA
. 9000. . Jul 2019. . PA

N1X
. 7200. . Feb 2019. . IL
. 8776. . Mar 2019. . PA
. 8664. . May 2019. . MD
. 8200. . Jul 2019. . NY

The Yamaha has a big edge on price. I've really must find a shop that shows one.

Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: CyberGene] #2877175 08/07/19 05:33 AM
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CyberGene, one of the Novus' goals is to reproduce the keyboard touch of an acoustic piano as closely as possible, hence the inclusion of the damper mechanism.

Grade-weighted hammers are also not necessary, but are a characteristic of acoustic pianos and therefore reproduced in the Novus instruments (and most other digital pianos).

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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: MacMacMac] #2877176 08/07/19 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Thanks. So ... with an upright action the NV5 won't be on my list.

And since both the NV10 and N1X have a grand action ... price comparison becomes a consideration for me.
Here are the US selling prices from the prices paid thread:
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. 9750. . Feb 2018. . CA
.10999. . May 2018. . MI
.10000. . Jun 2018. . CA
. 9999. . Jan 2019. . WI
. 8128. . Jan 2019. . CA
. 9000. . Jul 2019. . PA

N1X
. 7200. . Feb 2019. . IL
. 8776. . Mar 2019. . PA
. 8664. . May 2019. . MD
. 8200. . Jul 2019. . NY

The Yamaha has a big edge on price. I've really must find a shop that shows one.

In my opinion, for that price difference, the main thing one gives up with the Avantgrand is the authentic damper pedal action (discussed by CyberGene, above).

As an audiophile, I think the binaural sound of N1X is a make/break feature. But this is also probably because 80+% of the time, I use headphones with my piano. Someone who mostly plays their piano without headphones would likely not care about the binaural sound feature of the N1X/N3X.


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Re: Kawai announces NOVUS NV5 hybrid piano [Re: Kawai James] #2877177 08/07/19 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Kawai James
Grade-weighted hammers are also not necessary, but are a characteristic of acoustic pianos and therefore reproduced in the Novus instruments (and most other digital pianos).

Yes, toddy brought up graded weighting as a feature only meant to simulate acoustical pianos in my old thread. That thread contains a lot of other common digital piano "features" which would never have existed except that digital pianos try to simulate acoustical pianos as close as possible, for better or worse.


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