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I have been looking to buy a piano humidity control system and what I find online mostly is pads and liquid.

Is the whole kit including humidifier/dehumidifier, the controller etc. available somewhere ? I googled it but I couldn’t find it. Also, is the installation process DIY or would one need a piano tech ?

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Probably best to talk to your technician. If there's an issue needing one, he/she will be best to advise what is the best way of handling it.


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This is not a difficult installation, but it is also not a good DIY project. Placing components in the wrong way can result in damage to your piano. This is why the unit is not sold to the general public.

My company has had to replace a soundboard because the system was improperly installed by an independent technician. The unit seriously damaged the instrument in which it was installed. Speak with your technician.


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My company has had to replace a soundboard because the system was improperly installed by an independent technician. The unit seriously damaged the instrument in which it was installed. Speak with your technician.


Rich, this is fascinating. Was it an upright or a grand? What actually happened? These devices are so simplistic that I have trouble imagining a first-timer's installation making any difference.

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I imagine if you plugged the cords into the wrong outlets in the humidistat, placed the humidistat too close or too far from the tank, the pads were never changed and the pad sensor didn't shut down, or the humidistat malfunctioned, it could make the humidity situation worse in a piano. I think that's why the supplies and access to installation videos are typically sold through industry-only avenues, and the warranty only applies if a "certified" installer does the work.


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My company has had to replace a soundboard because the system was improperly installed by an independent technician. The unit seriously damaged the instrument in which it was installed. Speak with your technician.


Rich, this is fascinating. Was it an upright or a grand? What actually happened? These devices are so simplistic that I have trouble imagining a first-timer's installation making any difference.


Hi Peter,

It was a very expensive grand. It was not old and it was in an area that needed climate control. The technician, who was certified, confused the plugs into the humidistat. So, when humidity, went down the system was drying the piano out. When the humidity went up, it started humidifying. When we received the piano the board looked terrible for a fairly new piano.

Fortunately, the tech. had liability insurance so he sent the piano to us and we dealt directly with the insurance company, as I remember.

However, I have seen some installations that put the humidistat too close to the reservoir and the poor system was sensing more humidity than there was, but that never resulted in an issue like this.


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I may be mistaken, but I thought Dampp Chaser, the manufacturer of the humidifier/dehumidifier systems for pianos, only sold to technicians and piano dealers...in an effort to make sure they are installed correctly. I don't think Joe Consumer can buy a Dampp Chaser system from the manufacturer directly.


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You could also consider whole room climate control. You can install these yourself and it helps more than just your piano.


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You could also consider whole room climate control. You can install these yourself and it helps more than just your piano.

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My dehumidfier works very well here in Vancouver which is very humid.
For some in a challenging climate or living conditions perhaps a damp chaser
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Only an experienced technician in these devices should install.

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Yes, if you want to DiY, I'd go the whole-room route. I'd prefer that anyway, except that whole-house is even better. As wouter79 pointed out, then it helps everything: pianos, furniture, people, pets, etc.


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You could also consider whole room climate control. You can install these yourself and it helps more than just your piano.

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Me three! Especially since I have guitars and wood recorders along with the pie-ann-ah,

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You could also consider whole room climate control. You can install these yourself and it helps more than just your piano.

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+2. They work wonders, as does a good dehumidifier.



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Here’s the humidistat that I use with the Life Saver dehumidifier rods (I don’t need the humidifier component in the Bay Area). It’s made by Inkbird for greenhouses. For me it has these advantages over the decades old Life Saver one:
It has a digital read out that is readily viewable. I like to keep an eye on what is going on, thus avoiding the incident Rich talks about above and another case where a soundboard was ruined mentioned here on PW previously. It has a very sensitive external sensor and has been spot on accurate for the 2 yrs i’ve used it. It’s is calibratable and has an alarm function if the humidity under the soundboard drops below or exceeds a certain set amount. I don’t feel the necessity to use this, but it would have avoided both of the above incidents- one improper installation and the other a failure of the LS humidistat. Finally I don’t have to drill holes in the beams under my piano to mount it.

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