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Re: Speakers for my RD2000 [Re: nicknameTaken] #2874254 07/30/19 04:13 PM
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JBLs... I could actually get the 305 or the 306. I agree to don't go too big, as it may be bad for the distance.
I have measured again. Currently it's about 0.8m, but I could try to get more distance, if needed.

Per measured spec, the bass rolloff reaches -3dB on the 306P about 2Hz lower than the 305P. This likely will have very minimal difference for a dp monitor— maybe one note will sound better out of 88. The benefit of the 305 is lower cost and a smaller enclosure to deal with. The benefit of the 306 is that it may sound slightly better without a subwoofer for uses other than piano monitoring.


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Re: Speakers for my RD2000 [Re: nicknameTaken] #2875490 08/02/19 10:20 PM
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I should add that Yamaha monitors have less bass extension than JBL, so the HS5’s are likely inadequate without a subwoofer as a piano monitor.


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Bass guitars need subwoofers.
Pianos do not.

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Pianos need monitors with bass extension down to about 55Hz. Not all studio monitors have that, and it is a concern with the Yamaha HS5’s, for which Yamaha publishes a measured spec of bass roll off that is -3dB by 72Hz. They would need to be tested with a DP to confirm adequacy.


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That's still good enough for most purposes. Not much music uses the extreme low end.
If the budget allows for bigger and better, so be it. If not ... I wouldn't sweat the last 20 Hz.
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Pianos need monitors with bass extension down to about 55Hz. Not all studio monitors have that, and it is a concern with the Yamaha HS5’s, for which Yamaha publishes a measured spec of bass roll off that is -3dB by 72Hz. They would need to be tested with a DP to confirm adequacy.

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Yamaha HS8s should be good for this.

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Or the JBL 305P’s which have more bass extension than the Yamaha HS5’s.


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Re: Speakers for my RD2000 [Re: MacMacMac] #2875832 08/03/19 08:37 PM
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That's still good enough for most purposes. Not much music uses the extreme low end.
If the budget allows for bigger and better, so be it. If not ... I wouldn't sweat the last 20 Hz.
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Pianos need monitors with bass extension down to about 55Hz. Not all studio monitors have that, and it is a concern with the Yamaha HS5’s, for which Yamaha publishes a measured spec of bass roll off that is -3dB by 72Hz. They would need to be tested with a DP to confirm adequacy.


It is not a budget issue, but an issue of choosing the product that meets the correct requirements. You can pay a lot more for better monitors that function less well as piano monitors. Studio monitors may sacrifice some bass response to improve clarity of the midrange. Increasing the excursion range of the woofer will let it move more air and enable it to extend the bass response a little but at the expense of some midrange clarity. Audio engineers doing mixes will get used to the response of their monitors and have a good feel for how they translate to other systems, which will range of speakers in a phone to audiophile systems.

Piano monitors should be able to produce a good response in the required range for a DP, which I think extends down to about 55Hz. Obviously this will vary with the size of the soundboard of the samples piano. This is another reason I prefer JBL monitors to Yamaha monitors for keyboard monitors. The Yamahas will likely have a little more clarity for mixing a collection of recorded parts, but the JBL’s have more bass extension, enough to cover the required range.

A subwoofer is also useful for synth bass or organs— a 16’ stop has low C at 32 Hz.


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Re: Speakers for my RD2000 [Re: nicknameTaken] #2875835 08/03/19 08:53 PM
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Hello,

I'm currently using the DT770 Pro for my Piano as headphones.
However, I'd like to use speakers, as the improvement is to feel the vibrations.
I'd pay up to 1200 EUR for a pair.
What should I get? Should be nearfield.

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Neumann KH 80 DSP's at $1000 USD per pair fits your budget, and is probably one of the best speakers currently available, regardless of price.

Re: Speakers for my RD2000 [Re: nicknameTaken] #2876264 08/05/19 07:56 AM
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Hello,

as suggested earlier, I got the JBL 305P MKII.
What I really like is that they sound better than the Microlab Solo6c and more close than them.
However, they have a quite intense white noise coming from the speakers.
I already put them to the lowest volume possible and increased the audio source volume, to no avail.

While white noise can be soothing and relaxing in some ways, it's distracting on the Piano.

On the other hand I'm currently a bit short of money, so I might actually keep em, even though I'm still annoyed by that white noise.
Also when I hit A3, my digital Piano does vibrate, as it seems to be it's own frequency.


What do you guys think?

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Have you matched the sensitivity of the input of the speakers to the sensitivity of the output of your keyboard? I assume the RD2000 has +4dBu outputs. I don’t experience noticeable white noise with the LSR305 which is the previous version and virtually the same.


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Re: Speakers for my RD2000 [Re: Sweelinck] #2876268 08/05/19 08:14 AM
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Yes I've matched it. The white noise disappears after 3m of distance, but is too intense in general.

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Are you using balanced cables? The noise can be environmental, something else in the audio path, or noise from some other device on the same wall circuit such as a computer, or from the speaker. I do not have a noticeable noise floor with my monitors and I have a mixer and subwoofer in the audio path in addition to two keyboards. If you have an objectionable one, I would either try to isolate the cause, or return the speakers.


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The white noise is present even without anything attached, but the power cord.

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That has not been my experience. I have owned two pairs of LSR305’s. You should call JBL to discuss.


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Definitely shouldn't have that much noise - maybe try moving them to a different plug og even bringing them to a friend or family members house and see if it is something local to your current environment causing this - otherwise I would think they are defective and need fixing or replacement.

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I'll get the much more expensive Neumann instead and send the current ones back. This should fix things. But I have to wait a bit for that to happen.

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I just rechecked mine. I have to have my ear directly in front of the tweeter 7-8 cm from it to detect any noise. It definitely is not detectable even at close nearfield listening distances.


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I see. Either different quality of ear or just a step down for the new MKII.

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All JBL 3 series have a hiss in their tweeters. It’s a flaw in the design of their amp. This has been documented in various audio forums. Some people report stronger hiss than others (unit variance).

I have a pair of 308s and the hiss is not noticeable beyond 1/2 meter, so for my use they are great. For you, clearly different speakers are needed.


Best of luck!

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