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Re: Myths about studying piano
Morodiene #2875698 08/03/19 02:20 PM
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I'll post it here when it's done! I probably won't be able to record until I'm back home in a couple of weeks, however.



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Anyway, I think the biggest myth for me was thinking that if I could figure out the notes, I could play a piece. I debated about getting a teacher because I understood the basics of reading sheet music, so I thought that, with enough time, I could figure out how to play pretty much anything on my own.
Some adults think that once you can read music you can play anything more or less immediately. Kind of like once you can read you can read any book on the spot. Someone once actually requested that I learn Rhapsody in Blue overnight and was surprised when I said I couldn't do that.

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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
Practicing on a digital piano will harm your technique.
I think there's some truth to that statement. Probably not "harm" but limit one's technical progress to some degree if one intends to ever play on an acoustic piano. If that's not the case why would anyone ever bother to pay the considerable extra amount to buy a hybrid piano instead of a digital?

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Re: Myths about studying piano
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Ok this one, "Practising on an acoustic piano will harm your technique if you intend to play on a digital piano."



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Re: Myths about studying piano
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
]Some adults think that once you can read music you can play anything more or less immediately. Kind of like once you can read you can read any book on the spot. Someone once actually requested that I learn Rhapsody in Blue overnight and was surprised when I said I couldn't do that.


What?! That's the reason I signed up for lessons. I just want to play stuff immediately. I don't want to practice anymore, I'm tired.


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Someone told me I'm unmusical, so it's a waste of time trying to learn how to play the piano.


I've not heard of this one before...ouch! Maybe a comment of a teacher from school or something? I think we all can carry these burdens with us and believe the lies our whole lives unless we come to realize that person was wrong. Being musical is the same as being human.


Oh, that's me! I just picked up piano last year at 33 because I spent my childhood/adolescence being told by my family that I had no rhythm and no musical ability. It took me that long to realize that I'm actually not terrible at all things creative, and I started piano. Interestingly, a couple of weeks ago my piano teacher commented on how quickly I catch on to complicated rhythms, so apparently, I'm not the lost cause I believed I was.


Glad you overcame this hurdle in what you believe. It's amazing the things we tell ourselves without even realizing it - often to our own detriment.

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Anyway, I think the biggest myth for me was thinking that if I could figure out the notes, I could play a piece. I debated about getting a teacher because I understood the basics of reading sheet music, so I thought that, with enough time, I could figure out how to play pretty much anything on my own. I'd never heard the word "musicality" before.
That's very interesting what you thought lessons would be like with a teacher - the good ones go waaaay beyond the notes. smile


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Adults don't need to count beats aloud when learning, because they already have good rhythm.

Haha, yes.


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RE: need for teacher

I would be careful with this one. The case can easily be made that the necessity of a teacher is a myth.

Many of us ABFers are self taught, making notable progress, and enjoying the heck out our piano experiences. Careless treatment of this topic could discourage countless future, happy, self-taughts from ever starting.

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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
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Practicing on a digital piano will harm your technique.
I think there's some truth to that statement. Probably not "harm" but limit one's technical progress to some degree if one intends to ever play on an acoustic piano. If that's not the case why would anyone ever bother to pay the considerable extra amount to buy a hybrid piano instead of a digital?

A "hybrid" piano is still a digital...no strings attached.


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Morodiene #2875753 08/03/19 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Morodiene
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Here are a few more myths:


A year of lessons and I'll be able to play anything I want to play.
I've heard of even less time - like 2 months!!

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This unweighted 66-key digital is all I'll ever need.
This is similar to what was mentioned before: "a digital piano will ruin your technique". I actually think that you're just throwing your money away if you get a 66-key thing to start on as it will hold you back.

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Someone told me I'm unmusical, so it's a waste of time trying to learn how to play the piano.
I've not heard of this one before...ouch! Maybe a comment of a teacher from school or something? I think we all can carry these burdens with us and believe the lies our whole lives unless we come to realize that person was wrong. Being musical is the same as being human.
Fortunately I never subscribed to any of these myths or had them tossed at me. eek

As for digitals, I do think making a distinction between a non-weighted, non-88 key digital and a weighted, 88-key digital is one that needs to be made. People have posted on PW with the idea of buying a cheap "starter" digital. I think they would be far ahead in the short, medium, and long run to get something that better approximates a piano (as opposed to a keyboard). Why throw another hurdle in your way?


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Originally Posted by Stubbie
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Here are a few more myths:


A year of lessons and I'll be able to play anything I want to play.
I've heard of even less time - like 2 months!!

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This unweighted 66-key digital is all I'll ever need.
This is similar to what was mentioned before: "a digital piano will ruin your technique". I actually think that you're just throwing your money away if you get a 66-key thing to start on as it will hold you back.

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Someone told me I'm unmusical, so it's a waste of time trying to learn how to play the piano.
I've not heard of this one before...ouch! Maybe a comment of a teacher from school or something? I think we all can carry these burdens with us and believe the lies our whole lives unless we come to realize that person was wrong. Being musical is the same as being human.
Fortunately I never subscribed to any of these myths or had them tossed at me. eek

As for digitals, I do think making a distinction between a non-weighted, non-88 key digital and a weighted, 88-key digital is one that needs to be made. People have posted on PW with the idea of buying a cheap "starter" digital. I think they would be far ahead in the short, medium, and long run to get something that better approximates a piano (as opposed to a keyboard). Why throw another hurdle in your way?

Yes, I have owned several digital pianos, and I've played others as well. Some are a waste of money, some are good starter pianos that would last most people many years. Only those that end up playing advanced really need to worry about getting an acoustic grand or hybrid.

I have seen people go buy something for $200 and then start up lessons, only to find out that what they bought isn't going to last more than a few months because it lacks velocity sensitivity. That's the big one. 2nd is that they're usually not full weighted. And as you say, why make it harder than it already is?


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I would be careful with this one. The case can easily be made that the necessity of a teacher is a myth.

Many of us ABFers are self taught, making notable progress, and enjoying the heck out our piano experiences. Careless treatment of this topic could discourage countless future, happy, self-taughts from ever starting.

I don't think it's a question of having a teacher or not, but more what people assume a teacher does that needs debunking. And even "self-teachers" learn from teachers who make method books and videos. It's just a different kind of learning, but that's valid. smile


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Really?? I must have been behind the door when god was handing out rhythm, because it took me quite a while to get that part of my act together.

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Originally Posted by jazzyprof
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Practicing on a digital piano will harm your technique.
I think there's some truth to that statement. Probably not "harm" but limit one's technical progress to some degree if one intends to ever play on an acoustic piano. If that's not the case why would anyone ever bother to pay the considerable extra amount to buy a hybrid piano instead of a digital?

A "hybrid" piano is still a digital...no strings attached.
But hybrids are not called digitals because they have acoustic actions. Terminology has nothing to do with the idea behind my post.

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Really?? I must have been behind the door when god was handing out rhythm, because it took me quite a while to get that part of my act together.



LOL same here! Actually it was rhythm and reading in general that I struggled with as a child. Counting helped tremendously....when I did it wink


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Really?? I must have been behind the door when god was handing out rhythm, because it took me quite a while to get that part of my act together.



LOL same here! Actually it was rhythm and reading in general that I struggled with as a child. Counting helped tremendously....when I did it wink



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- Learning to sightread is one of the most important things for a brand new beginner to learn
- Spend hours on learning music theory before learning to play, or learn theory that's more advanced than your playing ...
- Spending hours practicing each day as a beginner will help you to learn the material faster



I'd group the adult beginner emphasis myths together.
To the ones you already have I'd add: adult beginners should focus on scales; should focus on exercises like Hanon, should use some particular method over all others.

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Adult students can help (or replace) their teacher with internet research.


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Really?? I must have been behind the door when god was handing out rhythm, because it took me quite a while to get that part of my act together.



LOL same here! Actually it was rhythm and reading in general that I struggled with as a child. Counting helped tremendously....when I did it wink



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeDgOUoDTsY

OK I wasn't *that* bad :P


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Regarding not being musical, I have come to believe that musicality (and talent for that matter) is largely a myth. Hard work and time spent learning is what is required. Your final level may vary depending on intelligence, motivation, hours of education, quality of teaching and dedication but not due to innate musicality. Musicality can be taught, and learned.


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Any others that you've come across or had to learn yourself?


Yes, mostly concerning false prerequisites.

1. Playing classical is essential for developing physical technique.
2. To play jazz it is essential to have a colossal vocabulary of complicated chords and to memorise their names.
3. Scales and other keyboard subsets must be practised in precisely the same traditional way every day.

There are dozens of others.


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