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Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: OscoBosco] #2867039 07/07/19 02:06 PM
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They beat new Steinways for consistency. So does Yamaha. How they compare in terms of sound and action are different questions, and the answers will vary greatly among different specimens (even of Faziolis).

Is there a less consistent premium piano than a Steinway?


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Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: OscoBosco] #2867475 07/08/19 06:47 PM
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Bennevis, you've recorded pieces? I didn't think anonymous, obscure Scottish mountains recorded on Faziolis.


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Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: cmb13] #2867486 07/08/19 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by cmb13
Bennevis, you've recorded pieces? I didn't think anonymous, obscure Scottish mountains recorded on Faziolis.

Ben Nevis is Scotland's (and therefore the UK's) highest mountain, and is also the only mountain most Brits have heard of (apart from Everest and maybe K2), and its huge hump is anything but obscure and anonymous:

https://images.app.goo.gl/oh2k2vZgttJBUwPz9

But few people know that it's named after me, because I'm anonymous.........


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Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: bennevis] #2867609 07/09/19 08:07 AM
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Bennevis, you've recorded pieces? I didn't think anonymous, obscure Scottish mountains recorded on Faziolis.

Ben Nevis is Scotland's (and therefore the UK's) highest mountain, and is also the only mountain most Brits have heard of (apart from Everest and maybe K2), and its huge hump is anything but obscure and anonymous:


At 1300m high, is it still a mountain ?

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Bennevis, you've recorded pieces? I didn't think anonymous, obscure Scottish mountains recorded on Faziolis.

Originally Posted by bennevis
Ben Nevis is Scotland's (and therefore the UK's) highest mountain, and is also the only mountain most Brits have heard of (apart from Everest and maybe K2), and its huge hump is anything but obscure and anonymous:

https://images.app.goo.gl/oh2k2vZgttJBUwPz9

But few people know that it's named after me, because I'm anonymous.........

I think you glossed over the main section of that post.


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Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: Sidokar] #2867620 07/09/19 08:23 AM
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Bennevis, you've recorded pieces? I didn't think anonymous, obscure Scottish mountains recorded on Faziolis.

Ben Nevis is Scotland's (and therefore the UK's) highest mountain, and is also the only mountain most Brits have heard of (apart from Everest and maybe K2), and its huge hump is anything but obscure and anonymous:


At 1300m high, is it still a mountain ?

It certainly is. My namesake is 4,411.18 ft high.

In the UK, we like to stick with ancient tradition. Therefore, any natural hump over 1000 ft above its surroundings that looks like a mountain, talks like a mountain and quacks like a mountain is.......a mountain. (Never mind the fact that we went metric a few decades ago - "Munros" are still Scottish mountains over 3000 ft high).

According to the USGS, up until the 1920's the British Ordnance Survey defined a mountain as a geographic feature rising higher than 1000 feet (304 meters). The United States followed suit and defined a mountain as having a local relief higher than 1000 feet. This definition, however, was dropped in the late 1970's.

There was even a movie about the battle over mountain and hill. In The Englishman That Went Up a Hill and Down a Mountain (1995, starring Hugh Grant), a Welsh village challenged cartographers' attempts to classify their 'mountain' as a hill by adding a pile of rocks to the top.




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Originally Posted by cmb13
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Bennevis, you've recorded pieces? I didn't think anonymous, obscure Scottish mountains recorded on Faziolis.


I think you glossed over the main section of that post.

That I've recorded pieces?

Yes wink .

The first one (made on professional equipment in their showroom) is still on a piano website, as far as I know.

The ones I made for my sister (using my Zoom H4n and synced to video from my camera) are in my laptop (and hers, maybe her friends' too. She is on social media, I'm not). There have been others who recorded me in my recitals and my occasional blasts on public pianos, so I might even be on YT........ cry


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Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: bennevis] #2867652 07/09/19 10:06 AM
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I acknowledge that .4,411.18 ft high changes my perspective ! I should plan to come and climb it one of these days and then enjoy a good old whiskey !

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Originally Posted by Sidokar

I acknowledge that .4,411.18 ft high changes my perspective ! I should plan to come and climb it one of these days and then enjoy a good old whiskey !



Unless you're up there in the midst of a blizzard (when you shouldn't be up there), you won't be alone, so make sure you're ready to offer a wee dram to anyone you see wearing a kilt (though being on Scotland's wettest mountain, it's more likely to be made of Gore-tex than tartan).

Though actually, anyone wearing a kilt on Ben Nevis is almost certainly a tourist. The Scots are far too sensible to get their legs (etc) wet, and therefore reserve their kilts for the Highland Games:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drl8u4HtkvU


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Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: OscoBosco] #2873486 07/28/19 11:55 AM
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Fazioli or Steinway...

The best I heard was a Steinway NY from the begining of the last century, amazing sound and balance for such an old piano. In the same shop, next to it, another Steinway NY (don't remember the year but not a recent one)
and it sound like sh.t

So I think that pianos are like wines, there are good and bad years (series, model), but for all of them, the important is how they "lived" their life: Who took care of them and how frequently (good or bad maintenance makes a huge difference), where they were raised (humidity), who used it.
Some pianos are too young and sound better as they get older... It's a bit like a living thing laugh

Ah... One more important thing, maybe the most important is the player. wink I remember a concert with several pianist in a row, using the same piano, it's surprising how it can sounds differently with different people.

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Define "better" first.

Without definition you are just getting opinions.


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Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: OscoBosco] #2874386 07/31/19 04:09 AM
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For the OP .... regardless of which piano many or may not better, because that’s by and large a matter of taste and experience, in an ideal situation, the piano on which you’re recording should minimally be excellently tuned, if possible voiced to your taste (as much as that is possible) and it should have a recently regulated action. That’s all best case but having a piano tuned just prior to the recording session is an ideal circumstance

With those things done you’re pretty much going to get the best out of the piano that you can. Except assuming you’re working with a good recording engineer (or if you’re doing it yourself), also, allocate some time to establishing a recorded sound that you like. I say “that you like” because recording in a studio and playing to microphones is a much different experience than performing to an audience.

Finally, is Fazioli better than Steinway? If you play on Piano A and it’s poorly maintained and then if you play on Piano B and it’s wonderfully maintained, you’ll likely thing the piano that’s been well taken care of is the better of the two. Possibly ....

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Never encounter a Fazioli that is bad, but many Steinways, even a well maintained one.

Re: Is fazioli better than steinway? [Re: OscoBosco] #2875065 08/01/19 07:54 PM
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I've played probably 5 or 6 Fazioli pianos in my lifetime. Although the sample is small they had the most consistent and well regulated actions I've ever played. Truly the best. The sound signature is clear and without as many harmonic overtones as other brands but from what I've read that is a deliberate design decision. They are unique and very beautiful.

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