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Re: Plastic of acoustic piano keys
9190 #2874379 07/31/19 02:55 AM
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With some of the more technically difficult repertoire I play I find it better to have shiny (slippery) keys which allow for the finger to rotate or even slide on the key with the wrist moving rather than getting “caught” by too high friction, which was what happened on my ivory emulation Kawai digital pianos.

100% agree. I hate all these modern artificial and exaggerated ivory and ebony imitations. I remember my old post about it here, where this issue was also discussed.

Same here. I definitely prefer the NV10 keys (shiny) to the C3 keys surface (some kind of very good ivory and ebony imitation).


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Re: Plastic of acoustic piano keys
David Zhang #2874402 07/31/19 06:02 AM
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I'm fine with shiny. My Clav has that. My old upright, too.
But the smooth but matte finish on the imitation ivory seems appealing.
It's the heavily textured keytops that annoy me. I've not seen them in quite a while. Some of the Rolands had that about a decade ago. Blechhhhh! frown

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
With some of the more technically difficult repertoire I play I find it better to have shiny (slippery) keys which allow for the finger to rotate or even slide on the key with the wrist moving rather than getting “caught” by too high friction, which was what happened on my ivory emulation Kawai digital pianos.


I'm finding the opposite, funnily enough. On the ivory touch surface, I can slide around fine. However, on the plastic coating of my upright piano my fingers get stuck when trying to slide.

Horses for courses I guess.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
With some of the more technically difficult repertoire I play I find it better to have shiny (slippery) keys which allow for the finger to rotate or even slide on the key with the wrist moving rather than getting “caught” by too high friction, which was what happened on my ivory emulation Kawai digital pianos.


I'm finding the opposite, funnily enough. On the ivory touch surface, I can slide around fine. However, on the plastic coating of my upright piano my fingers get stuck when trying to slide.

Horses for courses I guess.

That's really curious. I guess it depends very much on physiology - sweat quantity and quality. I have rather dry palms and fingers yet they are not overly dry. My fingers got caught so many times on the white Kawai keys almost like being glued. The surface feels almost sticky to my fingers. That could be a reaction between the material and my skin and sweat contents.


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another good reason to use wood for key tops is that you can customise it by yourself, for example if you want it more slippery (which I don't) you can add epoxy to it.

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I don't know if it's because my Kawai digital piano is new, but I have the feeling that the Ivory-style surface gives to me some little trouble when I have to place my fingers between black keys in fast scales/arpeggios. Compared with a cheap semi-weighted keyboard with very shiny keys, I noticed that on my new Kawai DP the fingers have more friction with the side surface of the black keys, so they slide a little less easily. Anyway, for now I don't think it's a big issue, and maybe that over time the problem will somehow resolve itself (maybe the Ivory-style surface will become smoother with use, or my fingers will get used to it). And maybe this season's high temperatures can be a further cause of problems with fingers between keys.
But I have to say that the touch feel of the Ivory-style texture is very pleasant. The keys on my CN37 are not wooden, but when you touch them you feel as if they were made of a superior material.

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Same here. I definitely prefer the NV10 keys (shiny) to the C3 keys surface (some kind of very good ivory and ebony imitation).


I also switch between an NV-10 and C3 with Ivorite. I feel like both are just fine. They're different, and Yamaha's implementation is quite nice. But I don't really miss it when I'm on the NV10, or vice versa.


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That's really curious. I guess it depends very much on physiology - sweat quantity and quality. I have rather dry palms and fingers yet they are not overly dry. My fingers got caught so many times on the white Kawai keys almost like being glued. The surface feels almost sticky to my fingers. That could be a reaction between the material and my skin and sweat contents.


Are you saying that i don't have a high enough quality of perspiration to play the piano?

How dare you sir! laugh

But seriously. I think you're right there, it's a physiology thing. I used to find much the same thing when I played the violin. When I swapped violins for a second with someone to try each others out, my hand would stick on the neck when trying to shift. Same goes for pool cues as well, you might have noticed.

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