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Re: New kawai novus incoming ?
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what i want to know is :

is it a new electronic part or is it the "old" like CA98 ?


what is the price range ? a k300 aures cost a little bit less than 8000€

i think (James, you can eat more popcorn) it's a nu1X competitor, so we could say it will be like a CA98/CS11 with millenium 3 upright action and a price between 4000 and 5000€ .

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Originally Posted by JoBert
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If the NV10 is what constitutes a "baby grand" cabinet size, then I don't see how Kawai could make a new "upright" Novus model any smaller (like a CS11 style "upright" cabinet only 542mm deep) while keeping the same fundamentally great Millennium III hybrid grand action inside, because it wouldn't fit.

Simple.
By putting the Millennium III hybrid upright action inside. (Similar to how the NU1X has an upright action vs. the N1X with the grand action.)

Or in other words: The speculation here about a new Novus Upright is not primarily about the form factor of the cabinet, but about the action.
Well, the form factor (as seen a little bit in the teaser) sparked that speculation, but of course, as you said, this form factor only makes sense with an upright action inside.


it make sense to reduce production cost , kaway could use an existing k200 or 300 aures cabinet without the string part.

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A hybrid upright allows for a much more compact cabinet than an existing piano. I don’t see a reason why they should reuse an existing K200 cabinet just for the sake of it. See for example NU1X - it’s very compact since it doesn’t use an existing upright cabinet, and at the same time very stylish and beautiful.


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Originally Posted by Pete14
What if Kawai adds a full soundboard to this upright hybrid, wouldn’t that make it better than the NV-10? (At least in the sound department).
I remember liking the modified soundboard system in the CA-95; although, some feel it’s more of a gimmick.
The CA-98 uses an updated version, but a real -high quality- solid spruce board on this upcoming instrument would make me wonder about getting an NV-10 just on the basis of the action being “superior”; which may or may not be the case. Repetition rate is not as important to some, so this perceived ‘advantage’ is relative.
I know that many here (I’m looking at you, CG) love the action on the NU1X; just imagine it paired to a full soundboard!


Yes I think soundboard on CA98 sounds better than speakers on NV10 so I'm looking forward to this new model.

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Originally Posted by CyberGene
A hybrid upright allows for a much more compact cabinet than an existing piano. I don’t see a reason why they should reuse an existing K200 cabinet just for the sake of it. See for example NU1X - it’s very compact since it doesn’t use an existing upright cabinet, and at the same time very stylish and beautiful.


a bigger sound board could make a difference in sound., we can't have a bigger sound board without a bigger cabinet.

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Originally Posted by Nordomus
Originally Posted by Pete14
What if Kawai adds a full soundboard to this upright hybrid, wouldn’t that make it better than the NV-10? (At least in the sound department).
I remember liking the modified soundboard system in the CA-95; although, some feel it’s more of a gimmick.
The CA-98 uses an updated version, but a real -high quality- solid spruce board on this upcoming instrument would make me wonder about getting an NV-10 just on the basis of the action being “superior”; which may or may not be the case. Repetition rate is not as important to some, so this perceived ‘advantage’ is relative.
I know that many here (I’m looking at you, CG) love the action on the NU1X; just imagine it paired to a full soundboard!


Yes I think soundboard on CA98 sounds better than speakers on NV10 so I'm looking forward to this new model.


a digital sound interface like n1x would be great to use vst without line in

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Interesting, thanks tblb! KJ has been scooped laugh


KJ hinted at that a month or so ago.

Show the bloody piano laugh



I just found it here... seems Kawai went for a very slim design with this one!


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Skip all of that ... I just hope they make it work without defects and with a good UI.
That is ... I'll skip the new features, if any ... and focus instead on improved functionality.

Second item ... for those of you who like the soundboard found in other pianos ...
I was not impressed by it in the shop. Perhaps the poor placement of the pianos is at fault?
Did anyone find the soundboard unimpressive at the store, but quite good at home?

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Skip all of that ... I just hope they make it work without defects and with a good UI.
That is ... I'll skip the new features, if any ... and focus instead on improved functionality.

My bet is, that it will have the same engine and UI as the CA78/98 and NV10, only in a different cabinet (just like the CS12 would have) and with a different action.
I would be surprised if Kawai used this model to introduce a new engine and/or UI.

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I see no reason Kawai would not use the same K2 cabinet and soundboard they used in the CS10/11. It is beautiful! I prefer it over the NV10! However, to do that and sell it for $5-6,000? Maybe a smaller, K15 cabinet? I am intrigued to say the least.



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CA98 gives me pleasant feelings in Soundboard output. Soundboard can easily beat normal speakers.
So be very expect for the new full size soundboard model.
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Originally Posted by robinlb
CA98 gives me pleasant feelings in Soundboard output. Soundboard can easily beat normal speakers.

Can and it surely does. I still wonder why they didn't use soundboard in NV10.

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To sell a nv20 ?

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That’s nonsense. The NV10 is massive but ships in two boxes. If it had launched with a soundboard, it would likely have to ship as a single unit like the CA98 and be even more massive. Possible, but vastly more complicated logistically and risk wise.

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Originally Posted by navindra
That’s nonsense. The NV10 is massive but ships in two boxes. If it had launched with a soundboard, it would likely have to ship as a single unit like the CA98 and be even more massive. Possible, but vastly more complicated logistically and risk wise.

N3X ships with soundboard. I guess Yamaha is more capable with logistics and risk management than Kawai? wink (j/k... sort of)


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And what sells better, the N1X or N3X? AvantGrand is proven and owns the market, while Novus is the challenger. All I'm saying is that Kawai is being smart and appropriately cautious while pushing the envelope.

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Guesses and suppositions ... all without substantiation. frown

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Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
Originally Posted by navindra
That’s nonsense. The NV10 is massive but ships in two boxes. If it had launched with a soundboard, it would likely have to ship as a single unit like the CA98 and be even more massive. Possible, but vastly more complicated logistically and risk wise.

N3X ships with soundboard. I guess Yamaha is more capable with logistics and risk management than Kawai? wink (j/k... sort of)


The bulk of the N3X is a single horizontal slab (like an acoustic grand); I assume the legs come off like on an acoustic, too. The CA-98 is compact enough to be a vertical slab (like an upright).

The NV-10/N1X with a vertical soundboard would be so deep (to accommodate the action and keys) and wide that it would have to ship in a something closely resembling a huge cube. I think it's just not the ideal form factor to support a soundboard, unfortunately.

An compact upright could definitely do so, though!


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Originally Posted by Nordomus
I still wonder why they didn't use soundboard in NV10.


The back side of the NV10 is not really large enough for a proper soundboard. Moreover, the back panels must be removable to provide access to the instrument during assembly.

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James, you need to make the announcement, pronto!
I’m checking in every few minutes looking for “Kawai announces.......”
This is no longer teasing, it’s torture! cry

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