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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...] #2873929 07/29/19 06:52 PM
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Lazarus,

Do you find that your teacher jumps around based on what he/she feels is important and taking into consideration your ability? I've had 6 lessons so far. The first week my teacher randomly had me play things in the book. I felt like he was gauging my ability to decide where to start. Concentration has been more on expression and dynamics. A lot of time spent on Over the Rainbow and The Entertainer.

I have already started looking at Book 2 on my own and plan to continue that.


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: GidgetKeys] #2873940 07/29/19 07:27 PM
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Lazarus,

Do you find that your teacher jumps around based on what he/she feels is important and taking into consideration your ability? I've had 6 lessons so far. The first week my teacher randomly had me play things in the book. I felt like he was gauging my ability to decide where to start. Concentration has been more on expression and dynamics. A lot of time spent on Over the Rainbow and The Entertainer.

I have already started looking at Book 2 on my own and plan to continue that.


Hi GidgetKeys,

I can't really say yet regarding jumping around, as I've only had one lesson. I did play the most recent "finished" song from Alfred, so she got an idea of where I was based on that. I imagine in the coming few weeks we will see how all the assignments are going and trim back or add depending. My teacher has taught many many people, and so I think she has a fairly well developed curriculum, which is fine for me right now as I don't have strong thoughts about what I should be playing.

Similarly, I think we will spend most of the time on expression and dynamics.

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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Lazarus] #2874359 07/31/19 12:48 AM
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Awesome, Tech-key! I had the same impression of the "Capstone" songs that they are probably more intricate and will take much longer to polish... Seems like you are a few weeks/months ahead of me! Are you planning to continue with AOI 2?

Lesson went very well, although now I have much external material to Alfred's AOI that we'll be using so I imagine my progress will slow. Decided to not spend any more effort on "He's got the whole world" -- both teacher and I agreed there wasn't much value in working any longer on it, so I've moved on to the Entertainer in that book, as well as spending some time polishing "Raisins & Almonds", most especially the distinction between mp LH and mf RH. I think we're going to continue with the AOI books, but the pace will probably slow to something more like 1 song/1~2 wks (or even slower, based on how the ending songs look).

I'm excited that we're at least starting to nibble on some "real" music outside of Alfred's (Bach's Minuet in G, for starters)! Onwards an upwards!

I started in September last year. My teacher used the first Alfred book, but not very strictly. Or even sequentially. After the first two months, that is. He'd introduce some conceptual stuff on its own, and then pick a complementary piece from the book, or outside. And sometimes, vice versa. I have been able to pick something from Alfred along with my teacher’s material, as he generally assigns me just one page a week. As far as I know, he doesn’t use AIO 2, though. I plan to continue with the course, however, as personally, I like it better than the other method books I’ve seen. I’ve flipped through both book 2 and 3, and I like the way the course progresses. Not to mention the variety.

Great that you enjoyed your lesson! I had learnt the Minuet you mention around Dec-Jan. It had fried my brains out, but I loved it, and still play it every now and then. And yes, Alfred really ramps up the difficulty, starting from the Entertainer. What a great time you picked, to get yourself a teacher!


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Originally Posted by GidgetKeys
Lazarus,

Do you find that your teacher jumps around based on what he/she feels is important and taking into consideration your ability? I've had 6 lessons so far. The first week my teacher randomly had me play things in the book. I felt like he was gauging my ability to decide where to start. Concentration has been more on expression and dynamics. A lot of time spent on Over the Rainbow and The Entertainer.

I have already started looking at Book 2 on my own and plan to continue that.


My teacher has been going through this method book with me and stays mostly faithful, but picks and chooses what she wants me to play. She skipped the entire section of middle c position songs, for example, and then recently Little Brown Jug.

Currently working on Chiapanecas and enjoying it. Really like the second section.

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Well, the bad news I will NOT be allowed to play piano for a month or two. The good news is that I didn't do any more damage by playing hurt.

I was feeling great about my piano journey having just significantly improved my practice skills and the results were there! Then one day last week I started my 2nd daily session (I had already practiced 1 hour earlier) and within just a few minutes my upper left arm muscle was very sore....and my pinky finger LH5 was tingling....UGH! First time ever anything ever hurt during a practice session. I stopped immediately.

There was something going on with me from 1.5 weeks earlier when I injured my left shoulder. I accidentally fell asleep on my couch one night and woke up with a very sore shoulder. It was enough to stop my weight training I usually do, but it was not noticeable during my practice. We tried to massage it out and released all but one trigger point that would not break up. That trigger point turned out to be on a nerve site and eventually gave me the tingling down my arm I ended up with.

I google searched this site and, if you don't know, it is not unusual and there is worse stuff. Nerve damage is a very long recovery if you do serious damage (like by ignoring it), so if you feel any tingling or burning muscles - just stop and get fixed. I don't have the official results yet as this just happened and our healthcare system is not configured for speedy results. I am fortunate that I have an association with a muscle (performance sports) place that has great expertise of which I am fully utilizing while I wait to get the X-ray and MRI complete before there is any treatment plan Mr Insurance would pay.

I think we got rid of that stubborn shoulder trigger that started all this and the left arm is steadily improving. Just had a strength and flexibly evaluation of my upper body at the Sports place and start the rehab on Friday.....thank god they are not part of any Hospital System and are reasonably priced.

So it is sad for me as I look at my piano wistfully everyday, but I did the right thing stopping right away and I will come back hungry! I'll still be hanging out here to get my piano fix....I like all the talk about Teachers - mine started jumping around after the halfway point of the book.

FYI - I think the root cause was the shoulder injury plus the pre-existing non-supportive upper back muscles in combination with the just enough repetitive piano motions.


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Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Progman] #2874653 07/31/19 06:04 PM
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Well, the bad news I will NOT be allowed to play piano for a month or two. The good news is that I didn't do any more damage by playing hurt.

I was feeling great about my piano journey having just significantly improved my practice skills and the results were there! Then one day last week I started my 2nd daily session (I had already practiced 1 hour earlier) and within just a few minutes my upper left arm muscle was very sore....and my pinky finger LH5 was tingling....UGH! First time ever anything ever hurt during a practice session. I stopped immediately.

There was something going on with me from 1.5 weeks earlier when I injured my left shoulder. I accidentally fell asleep on my couch one night and woke up with a very sore shoulder. It was enough to stop my weight training I usually do, but it was not noticeable during my practice. We tried to massage it out and released all but one trigger point that would not break up. That trigger point turned out to be on a nerve site and eventually gave me the tingling down my arm I ended up with.

I google searched this site and, if you don't know, it is not unusual and there is worse stuff. Nerve damage is a very long recovery if you do serious damage (like by ignoring it), so if you feel any tingling or burning muscles - just stop and get fixed. I don't have the official results yet as this just happened and our healthcare system is not configured for speedy results. I am fortunate that I have an association with a muscle (performance sports) place that has great expertise of which I am fully utilizing while I wait to get the X-ray and MRI complete before there is any treatment plan Mr Insurance would pay.

I think we got rid of that stubborn shoulder trigger that started all this and the left arm is steadily improving. Just had a strength and flexibly evaluation of my upper body at the Sports place and start the rehab on Friday.....thank god they are not part of any Hospital System and are reasonably priced.

So it is sad for me as I look at my piano wistfully everyday, but I did the right thing stopping right away and I will come back hungry! I'll still be hanging out here to get my piano fix....I like all the talk about Teachers - mine started jumping around after the halfway point of the book.

FYI - I think the root cause was the shoulder injury plus the pre-existing non-supportive upper back muscles in combination with the just enough repetitive piano motions.





Wow, sorry to hear about that Progman! Glad that you stopped immediately and didn't exacerbate the problem. Hopefully your recovery is speedy so you can get back to those weights and piano (although hopefully not both at the same time).

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Lazarus,

Do you find that your teacher jumps around based on what he/she feels is important and taking into consideration your ability? I've had 6 lessons so far. The first week my teacher randomly had me play things in the book. I felt like he was gauging my ability to decide where to start. Concentration has been more on expression and dynamics. A lot of time spent on Over the Rainbow and The Entertainer.

I have already started looking at Book 2 on my own and plan to continue that.


My teacher has been going through this method book with me and stays mostly faithful, but picks and chooses what she wants me to play. She skipped the entire section of middle c position songs, for example, and then recently Little Brown Jug.

Currently working on Chiapanecas and enjoying it. Really like the second section.


Chiapanecas was a fun one for sure, and I think it overlaps a fair bit with Little Brown Jug in what it teaches so that makes sense.

I definitely agree with skipping the middle C stuff... it seems really out of place in the book as you've been playing hands together for some time by that point, and it's a "position" rather than a "key". Does anyone more experienced know if there are ever references to "middle C position" outside of the most elementary material?

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Well, the bad news I will NOT be allowed to play piano for a month or two. The good news is that I didn't do any more damage by playing hurt.

I was feeling great about my piano journey having just significantly improved my practice skills and the results were there! Then one day last week I started my 2nd daily session (I had already practiced 1 hour earlier) and within just a few minutes my upper left arm muscle was very sore....and my pinky finger LH5 was tingling....UGH! First time ever anything ever hurt during a practice session. I stopped immediately.

There was something going on with me from 1.5 weeks earlier when I injured my left shoulder. I accidentally fell asleep on my couch one night and woke up with a very sore shoulder. It was enough to stop my weight training I usually do, but it was not noticeable during my practice. We tried to massage it out and released all but one trigger point that would not break up. That trigger point turned out to be on a nerve site and eventually gave me the tingling down my arm I ended up with.

I google searched this site and, if you don't know, it is not unusual and there is worse stuff. Nerve damage is a very long recovery if you do serious damage (like by ignoring it), so if you feel any tingling or burning muscles - just stop and get fixed. I don't have the official results yet as this just happened and our healthcare system is not configured for speedy results. I am fortunate that I have an association with a muscle (performance sports) place that has great expertise of which I am fully utilizing while I wait to get the X-ray and MRI complete before there is any treatment plan Mr Insurance would pay.

I think we got rid of that stubborn shoulder trigger that started all this and the left arm is steadily improving. Just had a strength and flexibly evaluation of my upper body at the Sports place and start the rehab on Friday.....thank god they are not part of any Hospital System and are reasonably priced.

So it is sad for me as I look at my piano wistfully everyday, but I did the right thing stopping right away and I will come back hungry! I'll still be hanging out here to get my piano fix....I like all the talk about Teachers - mine started jumping around after the halfway point of the book.

FYI - I think the root cause was the shoulder injury plus the pre-existing non-supportive upper back muscles in combination with the just enough repetitive piano motions.


Oh, that must be pretty tough to handle, Progman. I admire that you are being cautious, and doing all you can towards fixing this properly. Keep getting your piano fixes off-keys. smile Soon this time will pass, and before you know it, you’ll be back in business again!

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I definitely agree with skipping the middle C stuff... it seems really out of place in the book as you've been playing hands together for some time by that point, and it's a "position" rather than a "key". Does anyone more experienced know if there are ever references to "middle C position" outside of the most elementary material?

I have not encountered this C position, G position stuff, beyond the first parts of method books, or primer level tutorials. Don’t have the book with me right now, so not entirely sure.. But I think Alfred stopped naming these positions, after they introduced key signatures. Agree with you about this position-naming being rather unnecessary. Real music is hardly ever going to be so predictable to categorise fingerings into strict positions. Maybe they add it to ease out the keyboard topology at the very beginning.


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Thanks Lazarus and Tech-key! I have developed more patience over the past year just do to learning piano - so I guess that is why just naturally said STOP - Fix It - then re-start. Won't be long.


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How's everyone doing? Been quiet around here... too quiet.

I've started in on Amazing Grace. This one is quite a doosey! From the first impressions this is probably going to be the most difficult to learn since perhaps "Blow the man down"!

Looking forward: Do you all plan to continue to Alfred 2? Or those who went beyond, did you use Vol 2 and enjoy it? Since I'm getting to the end here, I'm wondering whether to stick with the Alfred method or transition to some other set (which would probably be more 'classically oriented')

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It gets like that sometimes! I am on hiatus in physical therapy but still come to the forum to keep in touch with piano. I have heard Amazing Grace is challenging - but that's how we progress smile I talked over the volume 2 question with my teacher. She recommended to do volume 2 and at that point will have enough skill to diverge any direction of interest. I like the Alfred approach; the variety of music, the pace of learning, I think it is well thought out and totally appropriate.


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It gets like that sometimes! I am on hiatus in physical therapy but still come to the forum to keep in touch with piano.

Sorry to hear this Progman. It's not piano-related I hope? You've been so enthusiastic about the piano this last year.


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It gets like that sometimes! I am on hiatus in physical therapy but still come to the forum to keep in touch with piano.

Sorry to hear this Progman. It's not piano-related I hope? You've been so enthusiastic about the piano this last year.


Thanks Tyrone - you can scroll up the page and read my lengthy explanation but the upshot is I think the root cause was a shoulder injury (non-piano) plus the pre-existing non-supportive upper back muscles in combination with the just enough repetitive piano motions.

I am currently being taught how to isolate my active muscle groups - I hold a lot of tension for some reason and over activate certain muscles that are ill equipped to handle it. Today marks 2 weeks since it happened and I continue to improve. I feel like this is just part of my journey - we all have to find our own way.


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It gets like that sometimes! I am on hiatus in physical therapy but still come to the forum to keep in touch with piano.

Sorry to hear this Progman. It's not piano-related I hope? You've been so enthusiastic about the piano this last year.


Thanks Tyrone - you can scroll up the page and read my lengthy explanation but the upshot is I think the root cause was a shoulder injury (non-piano) plus the pre-existing non-supportive upper back muscles in combination with the just enough repetitive piano motions.

I am currently being taught how to isolate my active muscle groups - I hold a lot of tension for some reason and over activate certain muscles that are ill equipped to handle it. Today marks 2 weeks since it happened and I continue to improve. I feel like this is just part of my journey - we all have to find our own way.

Oh yes! I now see your injury report.

Several weeks ago, I had a LH pinky injury that took me mostly out for two weeks, but I was still able to play with my right hand. GL! Also, I will PM you something that might be helpful.


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How's everyone doing? Been quiet around here... too quiet.

Frustrated with At Last, haha. Giving me trouble, dunno why. And I don't even like it all that much. Had started Singin' in the Rain much later, but done with it. It somehow felt easier to my fingers.

Will spend a couple more days with At Last, before dumping it forever. Will start Laura thereafter. Sadly, this one also looks tough to me :(, but I really like it! Have been watching this wonderful video of Erroll Garner. The Alfred version sounds only a teeny bit like this, though laugh



I’ve enjoyed the film noirs that I’ve watched in the past, so may try the movie too. It’s present in YouTube, though the print is a bit iffy.

Progman, sending good wishes your way! Hope you have a full recovery! I know you'll be your patient and diligent self, here as well.



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How's everyone doing? Been quiet around here... too quiet.

Frustrated with At Last, haha. Giving me trouble, dunno why. And I don't even like it all that much. Had started Singin' in the Rain much later, but done with it. It somehow felt easier to my fingers.

Will spend a couple more days with At Last, before dumping it forever. Will start Laura thereafter. Sadly, this one also looks tough to me :(, but I really like it! Have been watching this wonderful video of Erroll Garner. The Alfred version sounds only a teeny bit like this, though laugh



What a nice video and inspiration! I'm sure it will sound just like that when we play it ...

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What a nice video and inspiration! I'm sure it will sound just like that when we play it ...

Hey, that’s fantastic attitude.. Here’s to our method book renditions!


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Laura! Love the song, love the movie (get a good copy from somewhere, you want to really be able to see the lovely Gene Tierney) and I love Erroll Garner! Thanks!

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Laura! Love the song, love the movie (get a good copy from somewhere, you want to really be able to see the lovely Gene Tierney) and I love Erroll Garner! Thanks!

I had trouble going to sleep last night, so stayed up late and watched the movie. Loved it, and loved Gene Tierney as well! Thank you for your suggestion about a good copy. Found a much better version on YouTube itself. It was broken into two parts, and I probably wouldn't have checked it, if I hadn't read your comment.


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