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Re: Why the wide price difference between GX3 and C3X [Re: johnstaf] #2873510 07/28/19 12:57 PM
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Maybe the price difference represents the expense saving carbon fiber actions used on the Kawai’s. The Millennium Carbon Fiber is less expensive and also easier to work with over the traditional woods used in the Yamahas.
Just my thoughts.


I wonder if that's the case. WNG composite parts are significantly more expensive than Renner (wooden) parts.



In America it is significantly cheaper to purchase WNG parts than corresponding parts from Renner

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Re: Why the wide price difference between GX3 and C3X [Re: j&j] #2873562 07/28/19 04:16 PM
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I’ve heard both sides of that argument. Kawai considers the WNG action as a significant improvement and advancement in piano action technology and they do it to make the action more stable with humidity changes.

WNG is a separate company and is not involved with Kawai. Kawai has its own carbon-fibre action called Millenium III, which is an in-house product.

Re: Why the wide price difference between GX3 and C3X [Re: Rich Galassini] #2873564 07/28/19 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Rich Galassini

Although this post reeks of bias (I have one) I would like to add that if Kawai struck me the same way Yamaha did I am certain I would have those pianos on my showroom floor now.

Full Disclosure = I am obviously now a Yamaha dealer.

My (biased) 2 cents,


I played a Bosendorfer, Steinway, Kawai, Estonia, the Yamaha CX and a few others in your store a few months ago. Honestly, the CX tone was superb to my ears, I was so impressed by it I'd have bought it right then and there if I was ready!. I don't think your biased at all saying that. Maybe a few years down the line.

Re: Why the wide price difference between GX3 and C3X [Re: redfish1901] #2873627 07/28/19 09:42 PM
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I originally posted this question back in March 2018. I bought my C3XSH in April 2018. Now it's July 2019, and I want to share some of my thoughts.

The GX3 I was looking at was quoted at $24K USD. The C3X was $30K and C3XSH I ended up buying was $34K.

I have been back to the Kawai dealer this year, and the GX3 I saw had been sold, and replaced with a different GX3 with posted price of $32K. I felt this particular GX3 didn't sound as good as the one I saw last year. It turns out that old GX3 was a real bargain! Whoever bought it was real lucky.

My impressions of the GX3 then and now is that they have a darker, mellower tone than the C3X. I prefer it to the purer tone of the Yamahas. But GX3 lacks the color of the Yamaha--as notes are struck harder, Yamaha exhibits a change of tone that's missing in the Kawai. Maybe for some people it doesn't matter so much. But for me, it was important enough to pay extra money for. Classical music really benefits from having the melody ~sing~ above the other notes. Also, the Yamaha tone reminded me of the Boesendorfers at the same dealership--clear and yet capable of great tonal shading. I'm not saying Yamahas are equivalent to Bosies--just saying that for the price, Yamaha has more tonal color than the competition. I also played the Yamaha SX series--these have even greater tonal color. I think SX series match up very well against Steinway B's at much better prices.

Re: Why the wide price difference between GX3 and C3X [Re: redfish1901] #2873635 07/28/19 10:26 PM
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I think SX series match up very well against Steinway B's at much better prices.



In a subjective sense, perhaps, but I am pretty sure the SX line is in this weird area between mass produced high grade material production and no expense spared level production. To be less verbose, the CF line is intended to compete with Steinways; the SX, although having more hand work and attention to detail than the CX line, has lower cost design features than the "top-tier" makes.

Re: Why the wide price difference between GX3 and C3X [Re: ando] #2873733 07/29/19 08:07 AM
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I’ve heard both sides of that argument. Kawai considers the WNG action as a significant improvement and advancement in piano action technology and they do it to make the action more stable with humidity changes.

WNG is a separate company and is not involved with Kawai. Kawai has its own carbon-fibre action called Millenium III, which is an in-house product.

Sorry. Substitute Millennium III for WNG.


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Re: Why the wide price difference between GX3 and C3X [Re: sroreilly] #2873941 07/29/19 07:31 PM
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I think SX series match up very well against Steinway B's at much better prices.



In a subjective sense, perhaps, but I am pretty sure the SX line is in this weird area between mass produced high grade material production and no expense spared level production. To be less verbose, the CF line is intended to compete with Steinways; the SX, although having more hand work and attention to detail than the CX line, has lower cost design features than the "top-tier" makes.


Yes, of course. The "proper" competitor to a new Steinway B is Yamaha CF6. But S6X is easier to find, and way cheaper.

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