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Re: Motivation for adult beginners
ebonykawai #2871616 07/22/19 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I honestly don't believe ANY Youtube "One Year" claims like this. Sorry, no, this is just not genuine nor realistic. For 99% of people, children and adult, learning piano takes years of regular practice, starting with easy pieces and gradually moving on to more complex pieces. Even if those were the only pieces he played in that year to 18 months, it's still not believable to me. Not by a long shot.


I tend to be very skeptical of claims by some people on the internet (despite how badly they might play). I have seen a few people attempt to short circuit doing 'the hard yards' of the typical piano journey, but they failed. The only one I find convincing is Sam Rose here on PW.

However, putting that aside if people find it motivating all well and good. The reality is though, that seeing someone else play a piece should bring little comfort to anyone learning piano. In my practice room it is just me, my talent determination and the piano, and nothing is going to change that. If the question were more 'can I as an average person become the amateur pianist I want to be?' Then I get all my inspiration from (for all intents and purposes) the average people here on ABF who are doing just that.


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Re: Motivation for adult beginners
NobleHouse #2871636 07/22/19 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
I honestly don't believe ANY Youtube "One Year" claims like this. Sorry, no, this is just not genuine nor realistic. For 99% of people, children and adult, learning piano takes years of regular practice, starting with easy pieces and gradually moving on to more complex pieces. Even if those were the only pieces he played in that year to 18 months, it's still not believable to me. Not by a long shot.



I believe it and it is possible in my opinion. As Moo said, the pieces are not polished at all. But it is interesting to see what a person can accomplish by trying hard.


With zero music education and having never touched a piano before? I'm not buying it. If he had played some other instrument for a while and knew how to read music, sure, then I'd concede it's possible, though not probable for most of the population, at least not in 4 weeks to be up and playing an easy version of a Chopin nocturne, and playing Liszt some weeks later.

Videos like this can inspire some people. The rest may attempt to learn and then quit when they find that this is nowhere near the norm, without ever seeing that playing more difficult pieces takes a load of time, dedication, and determination. I far value Tiffany Poon's videos more than nonsense like this, especially the ones of her practicing, showing her drilling the same short passage over and over and over again.THAT is real.

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Re: Motivation for adult beginners
ebonykawai #2871752 07/23/19 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by ebonykawai
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I honestly don't believe ANY Youtube "One Year" claims like this. Sorry, no, this is just not genuine nor realistic. For 99% of people, children and adult, learning piano takes years of regular practice, starting with easy pieces and gradually moving on to more complex pieces. Even if those were the only pieces he played in that year to 18 months, it's still not believable to me. Not by a long shot.



I believe it and it is possible in my opinion. As Moo said, the pieces are not polished at all. But it is interesting to see what a person can accomplish by trying hard.



Videos like this can inspire some people. The rest may attempt to learn and then quit when they find that this is nowhere near the norm, without ever seeing that playing more difficult pieces takes a load of time, dedication, and determination. I far value Tiffany Poon's videos more than nonsense like this, especially the ones of her practicing, showing her drilling the same short passage over and over and over again.THAT is real.


We at least agree with your last paragraph.



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I joined an adult meet-up group and found that adults commonly learn without music. When asked why many explained they had major struggles reading the sheet music and some said they could not read it at all. My sense it that it is hard to learn to read music as you have to play easier pieces and follow a more linear fashion. I suspect many of the adults that play hard pieces learn short cuts as synthesia. Interestingly a lot of us have never learnt to memorise so the idea that memorising something as you can’t follow the score seems counterintuitive .

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Personally I don't give a d*** how fast someone is making progress, I listen to what I hear in the moment. If I listen to a pianist I am not the slightest interested in 1. how long this person has studied piano playing and at what age he/she started or 2. what kind of education the pianist has or 3. how fast this pianist learned this particular piece.

Actually, I DO NOT CARE, and I guess I am quite a normal listener. I am there for the music. Sometimes I am also there to study the technique. It is a pleasure to see someone being really, really good at something I know is very difficult. When I see a skilled pianist I admire and respect the enormous amount of work I know she has put behind her performance.

THAT is inspiration to me. I find it quite annoying when I notice how many people who seriously rate pianists after their fast learning progress, or even their ability to press one (1) key faster than anyone else during one minute. Not to mention people who judge the concert after how famous the pianist is, how young or even how good-looking ... (or how good they are at sight-reading or memorizing).

I mean, all this is BS. It is just surface. What about the music?

No, I have not bought the myth about you must start as a toddler or you must be granted with special talents by the gods. You can start learning anytime in life, as long as you maintain a childish, humble attitude of learning instead of trying to break some silly record - look, I went from that to this in this short time! Call me a genious, pleeease. We all have our personal path to follow, and slow learners are not necessarily bad learners.


So in a way all these "look at my ultra fast progress" videos are inspiring, they show what is possible. At the same times they are not, as the displayed result often is very poor from an objective point of view. You think that if someone can make THAT progress in that short time period, they will be incredibly good some years later? I think there is a big danger that the development will not proceed in the desired way. This pianist mentioned presents some quite mediocre versions of classical pieces that usually require years of preparation and experience, and he also demonstrates his practice routines that look like practice routines usually do when you have played for a year and have entered early intermediate level.




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