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Help needed! #2871751
07/23/19 07:07 AM
07/23/19 07:07 AM
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Hello,

I am a total newbie. I want to learn how to play a piano. I want to buy an instrument to my home. I have no idea what would be good enough for an amateur, just for playing at home from time to time.
It's hard to get an objective opinion, because every dealer wants to sell his piano and I am really not sure who is telling the truth.

I want it to be a good piano, but same time I don't want to pay for something I won't ever use. The another "problem" is that to my room matches only a white piano. After a few months of searching I have noticed that it's very hard to get… Almost all white pianos in my area are re-painted by dealers and I have to admit that they don't look very good.

I have an offer for a white KAWAI CS-9E from 1989, very good condition, original polished white colour (which in my opinion after polishing looks much better than other re-painted pianos I have seen). I have already known that it's quite "rare" model and it's hard to find some information about it. The dealer wants for it 2600$ (2300Euro) with transport, bringing it on the 2nd floor and 5-year warranty.

Do you think it's a good deal? Do you think that model would be sufficient for an amateur?

Thank you for advice.

best regards
Tom

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Re: Help needed! [Re: Sagittarius85] #2871781
07/23/19 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Sagittarius85
Hello,

I am a total newbie. I want to learn how to play a piano. I want to buy an instrument to my home. I have no idea what would be good enough for an amateur, just for playing at home from time to time.
It's hard to get an objective opinion, because every dealer wants to sell his piano and I am really not sure who is telling the truth.

I want it to be a good piano, but same time I don't want to pay for something I won't ever use. The another "problem" is that to my room matches only a white piano. After a few months of searching I have noticed that it's very hard to get… Almost all white pianos in my area are re-painted by dealers and I have to admit that they don't look very good.

I have an offer for a white KAWAI CS-9E from 1989, very good condition, original polished white colour (which in my opinion after polishing looks much better than other re-painted pianos I have seen). I have already known that it's quite "rare" model and it's hard to find some information about it. The dealer wants for it 2600$ (2300Euro) with transport, bringing it on the 2nd floor and 5-year warranty.

Do you think it's a good deal? Do you think that model would be sufficient for an amateur?

Thank you for advice.

best regards
Tom


Hi Tom,

You may get more/better responses if you ask in the 'Digital Pianos' forum rather than her as this bit of the forum is essentially for acoustic 'proper' pianos.

However I'd say that that seems a really expensive price for a thirty year old digital piano when a new Kawai CS11 can be obtained for under £3000. Technology really has moved on a lot and personally I wouldn't consider an old CS9 at anywhere near that price.

Everyone has different ideas but if you are a complete newbie I'd suggest getting something much cheaper to start with, the Casio PX160 is often recommended but just make sure it is a model with 88 fully weighted keys. That sort of keyboard will be sufficient to learn on with the intention of later upgrading to either a top quality digital (such as the Kawai CS models) or a 'proper' acoustic piano. When you start you don't really know where your interests will take you or even whether you will continue so my view is that it is best not to commit too much money at that stage. Just assume that whatever you think is a 'reasonable' expenditure now will either be replaced by much more ambitious aims if you get the bug or just given away if you don't continue :-)

Good luck and happy progress on your piano journey,
Rob.

P.S. the 'furniture' on digital pianos is usually pretty junk, just MDF panels so if you don't find what you want in white you could just get a readily available black one and refinish it yourself. If you do a good job it'll be better than one coming white out of the factory.

Re: Help needed! [Re: Sagittarius85] #2871787
07/23/19 08:40 AM
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But Kawai CS-9E from 1989 is an acoustic piano laugh

Re: Help needed! [Re: Sagittarius85] #2871836
07/23/19 10:24 AM
07/23/19 10:24 AM
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OK. I’ll say this gently. I think your insistence on an acoustic white piano will greatly hinder your search. It makes things much more difficult. Polished black contrasts really well with white furniture and can be the feature of the room. Add some big framed black and white photos around the black piano and you’re set. Black pianos come in all shapes and sizes. They’re easy to find, easy to buy, and far easier to sell. They can blend in or stand out. Plus, you can start practicing on your new to you black piano instead of still searching for something that was white from the factory.
Check out the thread entitled “White piano taboo” that was quite active about a month ago. I don’t want to offend anyone but the color of the cabinet should never be the determining factor when selecting your piano. I’ll probably get some nasty posts for saying that.
That Kawai is already 30 years old and might have quite a bit of wear and tear. If you still really want the white Kawai, get it checked thoroughly by an independent (from the dealer) piano tech. Good Luck!


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Re: Help needed! [Re: Sagittarius85] #2872056
07/23/19 08:44 PM
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A lot of discussion occurs about white pianos. If my wife was still with me, I'd have gone for one - she hates black ones.

Don't be put off by the colour, just be aware that dealers find them difficult to sell - so, particularly with a Used one - you should be able to get a bit of leverage to maybe even drop the price - though, it's not very high anyway - particularly with a warranty, delivery and 2nd floor included.

Could be harder to sell if it ever comes to that, but that's the way things go.

As suggested above, it's always best to have it inspected by YOUR OWN technician.

I assume you've tried other pianos - there are always plenty for sale.

If it comes about - enjoy your new (to you) piano.


Alan from Queensland, Australia (and Clara - my Grotrian Concert & Allen Organ (CF-17a)).
Re: Help needed! [Re: Sagittarius85] #2872060
07/23/19 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by backto_study_piano
A lot of discussion occurs about white pianos. If my wife was still with me, I'd have gone for one - she hates black ones.
This is probably OT, but the last 4 new pick-up trucks I've bought over the years were all red. My late wife, Barbara, liked a white vehicle. The last vehicle that was her's, before she became disabled, was white.

I bought a new 2018 Chevy Silverado truck at the end of last year, when they had the year-end model closeout sales, and it was a white one in honor of her. Now, for some reason I like a white vehicle. When I drive that white truck, I think of her.

So, backto_study_piano, I can certainly relate...

Rick


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Re: Help needed! [Re: Sagittarius85] #2872067
07/23/19 09:27 PM
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Hi Tom
Like you, I am not a black piano fan; I prefer a warm wood but they are only slightly more available than white ones. ..... buying a piano is not like buying a car where you can find the same make and model in a different color and it will be the same car. Two pianos of the same model and year will not be identical to each other. Once I realized this, I gritted my teeth and eliminated color from my criteria; I found a black one that I love to play. Quite honestly, the color is no longer an issue.

I’m not sure this will be enough to change your mind, so be sure and get the piano independently inspected. I think you can make an offer under the asking price because white pianos are more difficult for the dealer to sell.

The important thing is that you look forward to playing it! And yes, it will work just fine assuming it passes your inspection 😊


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