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Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour #2871535
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Good day pianoworld.

For anyone interested in playing this Steinway model D see the link below. These are the NY /Tri-state locations but assume there may be others. I'm bringing my son to one in August...


https://www.steinway.com/news/featu...fUwu6bTAOtwxy7v0wBFrQQ6W04vyk03uF8xcbaMU

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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: RJ's dad] #2871552
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I got to tune and play CD-503 recently, when it was here in Georgia. I’m posting from a phone, so I can’t easily post images, but I was tuning another D for a two-piano concert while this was being unpacked from its dedicated flight case. The entire underside of the piano (even the unfinished parts of the legs) is covered in signatures. The action has been changed since Horowitz played it, so it doesn’t have the same characteristics as his preferred setup; however, the belly appears to be original, and the piano is quite powerful.


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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
The entire underside of the piano (even the unfinished parts of the legs) is covered in signatures.
Random people or famous pianists?

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My favorite signature under there is “Billy Deathwish”!


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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: RJ's dad] #2871580
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As long as it is not signed by termites!


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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: terminaldegree] #2871581
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree

The action has been changed since Horowitz played it, so it doesn’t have the same characteristics as his preferred setup;


I played it a few years ago when the Steinway dealer here in Chicago had it (thanks again, Andrée!) and loved the experience (still have the picture), but it was a little disappointing not to get a chance to feel the legendary Horowitz setup.

Larry.

Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: RJ's dad] #2871639
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There were many differing Horowitz "setups" over the years. At one time the action had jiffy weights on the backs of the keys in addition to the usual front weighting. Franz Mohr told me he did this so Horowitz would notice less change to the feel when he replaced the hammers. Needless to say, this is not a good approach.


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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: RJ's dad] #2871647
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Sheesh people...


If anyone has been a band roadie, one would know shlepping amps, monitors, drum kids etc etc knows the hard work it takes to set up for a gig.

Imagine shlepping a Steinway model D around and getting it set up from location to location and sounding just right to perform at a high level...

I'm just looking forward to seeing my kid play an iconic instrument in person, feel free to do the same or move on...


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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: terminaldegree] #2871653
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Originally Posted by terminaldegree
The action has been changed since Horowitz played it, so it doesn’t have the same characteristics as his preferred setup


Those who played this piano on its first tour know that Horowitz's set up was very "un-Steinway-esque" (Did I just invent a word?).

The story goes that Horowitz, who was an artist who received substantial pay from Steinway for playing their piano for years, had arrived at a place in his career where he did not need to be compensated anymore. He began to have a wandering eye for other great pianos. (How much of this was due to simple inconsistency of the S&S pianos at the time, and how much was his desire to play on something different, I don't know. I wish I did)

Rather than risk having one of their greatest devotees being unhappy, or far worse, begin playing another brand, the company set up a D to be exactly what he desired. By the accounts of many musicians, it was unlike any other Steinway. The plan was for that piano to go with Horowitz where ever he played.

That is all history. But, now that the piano has had the action replaced and it is now a standard set up, we have lost a bit of history. Young musicians who turn out to play this piano leave thinking this must be what Horowitz loved, which is not the case.

Anyway, go and play the piano if you can, but keep in mind that it is no longer the touch and tone that Horowitz desired.

My 2 cents,




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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: RJ's dad] #2871657
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It reflects one of the things I say: the piano takes on the characteristic of the technician who takes care of it.


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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: RJ's dad] #2871790
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How much does the action have to do with the actual sound of the piano?

I get that the action has changed and may not 'feel' like it did when Horrowitz played it, but knowing each piano's soundboard is different and an integral part of the piano in regards to how it will sound, I would expect that (for me at least as just an observer) plays a much larger role than the action does in hearing it played.

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Originally Posted by RJ's dad
How much does the action have to do with the actual sound of the piano?

I get that the action has changed and may not 'feel' like it did when Horrowitz played it, but knowing each piano's soundboard is different and an integral part of the piano in regards to how it will sound, I would expect that (for me at least as just an observer) plays a much larger role than the action does in hearing it played.



I played his piano when it was on tour last year..., the sound is SUPERB
Make an appointment and do it.


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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: RJ's dad] #2871825
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The hammers would also have been changed, which significantly changes the tone.


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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: RJ's dad] #2871837
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Hammers are the most significant variable regarding touch and tone in any given piano.


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Also sorry if my comments dampen your enthusiasm for playing Horowitz's piano. I don't want to dissuade you from the experience.

I played the Christofori piano at the Metropolitan Museum in NYC once. The fact that it does not have the original hammers didn't lower my enthusiasm, I had to touch what Christofori built.


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Re: Vladimir Horowitz's Steinway tour [Re: Ed McMorrow, RPT] #2871877
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I second what Ed just said. CD 503 is an iconic piano and the fact that it is no longer set to Horowitz specs does not detract from that. Play it, if only to know later that you once played it. That's what I did.

Larry.

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Does anyone know when Steinway changed the Horowitz piano. My wife played it in February 2002 when Steinway had the piano and several others (Cliburn's was another) next to Abravanel Hall in Salt Lake City, during the Olympics there. She had just finished learning (and playing with local orchestras) all five Beethoven Piano Concerti over the previous 5 years, so it was fun for her to play excerpts from all of them on the different pianos - fun for the audience also! Thanks.

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I played it in the mid 90s. It was slightly on the shallow side, and had a very light and responsive touch, and it repeated very well. I don't know if that was Horowitz's set-up, but it certainly was a nice piano to play on.

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I wonder if it ended up sounding more like Hamburg Steinway?
Or perhaps like a Bösendorfer?

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Since my wife was and still is playing our Bosie, I don't think she thought that the Horowitz Steinway played like our piano. At the time she remarked on how light the touch was.


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