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Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) #2870248
07/18/19 08:52 AM
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Heya!

I've been practicing a Mozart tune again. This is it so far:

https://soundcloud.com/xynaxia/turkish-march-mozart

I hope to close this piece 26 July, when I'll have my piano lessons again. I'd love to hear some suggestions on what to work on in the mean time, so I can impress my teacher with the progress.

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Re: Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) [Re: hyena] #2870253
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You played it very nice!
For me there are too much accents here and there and it makes it heavy.
Also when there is a repetition, it has the same dinamics, however it should differ in some way.
It has similar volume and emotional level all way long - if I were you, I would work on the dinamics in this last week.

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Re: Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) [Re: hyena] #2870282
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These are my suggestions:

1. There are a lot of note mistakes or rhythmic inconsistencies that sound like they are mostly do to technical problems. So these passages have to be practiced slowly, probably RH separately, with consistent fingering, and maybe in rhythms. Consider changing a fingering if it seems not to work well.

2. It sounds like you are playing the rolled LH chords as chords with the notes together or at least rolling them too fast. This changes the character of the piece from what it should be.

3. Some notes that should be closer to staccato are played portamento. There are too many inappropriate accents.

4. Eventually, the tempo has to be increased.

I suggest listening to some professional YouTube recordings to get a better idea of what the piece should ideally sound like. If you like this piece, don't be in a rush to finish it.

Re: Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) [Re: hyena] #2870317
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You are pouncing on too many notes and making them stick out, especially at the end of a phrase. Your recording sounds very metronomic. If you can hear the problem in your recording, try practicing RH separately to smooth out the melody line. Think of a lighter RH sound.



Re: Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) [Re: hyena] #2870363
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I would slow down and get the notes secure. I would work on articulation of the notes. Even with no lessons the score should indicate I think when it’s staccato and when is legato. I think metonotomic rhythm is less of a problem. as it’s not secure I think the even rhythm is ok.

Re: Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) [Re: hyena] #2870392
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Thanks for the feedback!

I think I'll take it slowly, grab the sheet and take a very good look at all articulations and try to make everything much more light.

You'll hear the result next month in the recitel! smile

Re: Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) [Re: hyena] #2870402
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Re: Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) [Re: pianoloverus] #2870557
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Originally Posted by pianoloverus
These are my suggestions:


4. Eventually, the tempo has to be increased.




This is the part where I don't agree with you. Most people play it much too fast, ignoring the fact that it is Allegretto and not Allegro. Some interpreters choose a totally insane tempo and that could be very fun too, but then it is more of a "cover" than following the original notes. This posting was in a quite good tempo, perhaps it could be a little bit faster eventually, but really not that much. Yes, you can find a million clips on YouTube with stressed tempo but it does not mean it the best one.

The good thing in this recording were the parts with the forte octaves. The other parts were uneven in both rhythm and dynamics. I mean, dynamics is of course necessary, but it should be in a controlled way. I also think you totally ignored the rest marks. I sometimes practice this in an extremely slow tempo where I play with an exaggerated rubato, holding every rest mark far too long to keep the rhythm, but this helps me to remember them when I play in higher tempo and with more accurate rhythm. In such an exaggerated mode you can also practice a very light staccato - be very clear with the contrast between legato and staccato, but no nail hammering.

Re: Feedback for Rondo alla Turca (Mozart) [Re: ghosthand] #2870625
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Originally Posted by ghosthand
Originally Posted by pianoloverus
These are my suggestions:


4. Eventually, the tempo has to be increased.

This is the part where I don't agree with you. Most people play it much too fast, ignoring the fact that it is Allegretto and not Allegro. Some interpreters choose a totally insane tempo and that could be very fun too, but then it is more of a "cover" than following the original notes. This posting was in a quite good tempo, perhaps it could be a little bit faster eventually, but really not that much. Yes, you can find a million clips on YouTube with stressed tempo but it does not mean it the best one.
Allegretto is slower than Allegro but there is a big range for both. I doubt one can find a single recording by a great pianist(except for Gould who is known for sometimes using extreme tempos that no one else uses) anywhere near as slow as the OP posted, and that tells me that his performance should eventually be faster. Even Alfred Brendel, known for being a stickler for following the composer's markings, plays this quite fast:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=brendel+mozart+rondo+alla+turca

The great pianists are certainly aware of the tempo Mozart wrote and what it means.



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