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Piano count #2870146
07/17/19 04:46 PM
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In the N1X thread Tyrone said ...
Originally Posted by Tyrone Slothrop
We hit a milestone number: 20!
Euler1707, CyberGene, pianokat123, J5on, Amy C, Bro', jgbs, Tyrone Slothrop, David B, Chrispy, percy64, nax, Canticle80, kipdent, Haruki, RobertInFlorida, stewart715, StefVR, JJHLH, Onyx.

That got me thinking ... how many of each model have been reported in the prices paid thread.
Here's the answer. There's my ten-year-old (POS) Yamaha CLP240 in sixth place, quantity 24.
.COUNT .MAKE . . . MODEL
. 40 . .Kawai. . . CA63
. 37 . .Yamaha . . CLP340
. 27 . .Kawai. . . CA65
. 25 . .Yamaha . . P155
. 24 . .Casio. . . PX330
. 24 . .Yamaha . . CLP240
. 24 . .Roland . . FP7
. 22 . .Roland . . HP207
. 17 . .Roland . . FP7F
. 16 . .Casio. . . PX350
. 16 . .Kawai. . . CA97
. 14 . .Kawai. . . ES100
. 14 . .Kawai. . . ES8
. 14 . .Kawai. . . VPC1
. 13 . .Casio. . . PX130
. 13 . .Kawai. . . CN33
. 13 . .Yamaha . . N1X
. 12 . .Kawai. . . CA67
. 12 . .Kawai. . . CA78
. 12 . .Kawai. . . CA93
. 12 . .Kawai. . . CN34
. 12 . .Kawai. . . MP10
. 12 . .Roland . . FP30
. 12 . .Roland . . HP307
. 12 . .Roland . . RD700NX
. 12 . .Yamaha . . CLP280
. 11 . .Casio. . . PX150
. 11 . .Kawai. . . CA95
. 11 . .Kawai. . . MP11
. 11 . .Yamaha . . CP33
. 10 . .Kawai. . . MP6
. 10 . .Kawai. . . MP7
. .9 . .Casio. . . PX800
. .9 . .Kawai. . . ES7
. .9 . .Roland . . FP4
. .9 . .Yamaha . . CLP585
. .9 . .Yamaha . . CP300
. .9 . .Yamaha . . N1
. .9 . .Yamaha . . P140
. .9 . .Yamaha . . P515
. .9 . .Yamaha . . P95
. .9 . .Yamaha . . YDP160
. .8 . .Casio. . . PX160
. .8 . .Kawai. . . CA98
. .8 . .Kawai. . . ES6
. .8 . .Roland . . HP203
. .8 . .Yamaha . . CLP370
. .8 . .Yamaha . . CLP440
. .7 . .Casio. . . PX320
. .7 . .Kawai. . . CA91
. .7 . .Kawai. . . CN23
. .7 . .Kawai. . . CN43
. .7 . .Kawai. . . CS10
. .7 . .Kawai. . . NV10
. .7 . .Roland . . FP90
. .7 . .Roland . . RD700GX
. .7 . .Yamaha . . CLP230
. .7 . .Yamaha . . CLP320
. .7 . .Yamaha . . CLP330
. .7 . .Yamaha . . N2
. .7 . .Yamaha . . NU1
. .7 . .Yamaha . . YDP161
. .6 . .Casio. . . PX5S
. .6 . .Kawai. . . MP11SE
. .6 . .Roland . . V Piano
. .6 . .Yamaha . . CLP380
. .6 . .Yamaha . . CVP407
. .6 . .Yamaha . . DGX640
. .6 . .Yamaha . . DGX650
. .6 . .Yamaha . . P255
. .6 . .Yamaha . . P85
. .5 . .Casio. . . PX120
. .5 . .Casio. . . PX200
. .5 . .Kawai. . . CA51
. .5 . .Kawai. . . CE200
. .5 . .Kawai. . . ES110
. .5 . .Kawai. . . MP8
. .5 . .Kawai. . . MP8II
. .5 . .Roland . . HP305
. .5 . .Roland . . RD2000
. .5 . .Roland . . RP101
. .5 . .Yamaha . . CLP270
. .5 . .Yamaha . . CLP430
. .5 . .Yamaha . . N3
. .5 . .Yamaha . . NU1X
. .5 . .Yamaha . . YDP140
. .5 . .Yamaha . . YPG625
. .4 . .Casio. . . AP450
. .4 . .Casio. . . AP650
. .4 . .Casio. . . PX310
. .4 . .Casio. . . PX750
. .4 . .Casio. . . PX780
. .4 . .Casio. . . PX850
. .4 . .Kawai. . . CE220
. .4 . .Kawai. . . CN35
. .4 . .Kawai. . . CS11
. .4 . .Kawai. . . CS7
. .4 . .Roland . . HP603
. .4 . .Roland . . LX17
. .4 . .Roland . . RD700SX
. .4 . .Yamaha . . CLP535
. .4 . .Yamaha . . CVP401
. .4 . .Yamaha . . DGX630
. .4 . .Yamaha . . S90ES
. .4 . .Yamaha . . YPG635
. .3 . .Casio. . . AP220
. .3 . .Casio. . . AP420
. .3 . .Casio. . . AP460
. .3 . .Casio. . . AP470
. .3 . .Casio. . . AP500
. .3 . .Casio. . . AP620
. .3 . .Casio. . . AP700
. .3 . .Casio. . . CDP120
. .3 . .Casio. . . PX110
. .3 . .Casio. . . PX135
. .3 . .Casio. . . PX730
. .3 . .Casio. . . PX860
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CA5
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CL35
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CL36
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CN22
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CN24
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CN27
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CN37
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CS6
. .3 . .Kawai. . . CS8
. .3 . .Kawai. . . EP3
. .3 . .Kawai. . . ES4
. .3 . .Roland . . DP603
. .3 . .Roland . . DP990F
. .3 . .Roland . . GP607
. .3 . .Roland . . HP201
. .3 . .Roland . . HP302
. .3 . .Roland . . HP505
. .3 . .Roland . . HP507
. .3 . .Roland . . HP508
. .3 . .Roland . . LX7
. .3 . .Roland . . RD800
. .3 . .Yamaha . . CLP545
. .3 . .Yamaha . . CP50
. .3 . .Yamaha . . CVP501
. .3 . .Yamaha . . CVP509
. .3 . .Yamaha . . P105
. .3 . .Yamaha . . P250
. .3 . .Yamaha . . P35
. .3 . .Yamaha . . P45
. .2 . .Casio. . . AP200
. .2 . .Casio. . . AP45
. .2 . .Casio. . . PX360
. .2 . .Casio. . . PX720
. .2 . .Casio. . . PX830
. .2 . .Kawai. . . CA58
. .2 . .Kawai. . . CN25
. .2 . .Kawai. . . CP139
. .2 . .Kawai. . . CP175
. .2 . .Kawai. . . CS4
. .2 . .Kawai. . . CS9
. .2 . .Korg . . . Kronos X88
. .2 . .Korg . . . SP170
. .2 . .Korg . . . SV1
. .2 . .Nord . . . Stage 2
. .2 . .Roland . . F130
. .2 . .Roland . . HP503
. .2 . .Roland . . HP504
. .2 . .Roland . . HP506
. .2 . .Roland . . HP605
. .2 . .Roland . . KR107
. .2 . .Roland . . LX706
. .2 . .Roland . . LX708
. .2 . .Roland . . RD300GX
. .2 . .Roland . . RG1
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CLP220
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CLP295
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CLP645
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CLP685
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CP4
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CP5
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CP73
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CVP309
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CVP405
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CVP505
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CVP701
. .2 . .Yamaha . . CVP705
. .2 . .Yamaha . . DGX500
. .2 . .Yamaha . . DGX620
. .2 . .Yamaha . . N3X
. .2 . .Yamaha . . P120
. .2 . .Yamaha . . P70
. .2 . .Yamaha . . PSRE413
. .2 . .Yamaha . . YDP142
. .2 . .Yamaha . . YDP143
. .2 . .Yamaha . . YDP162
. .2 . .Yamaha . . YDP213
. .2 . .Yamaha . . YDP223
. .2 . .Yamaha . . YDP323
. .1 . .Casio. . . AP400
. .1 . .Casio. . . AP6
. .1 . .Casio. . . AP640
. .1 . .Casio. . . CDP100
. .1 . .Casio. . . CDP130
. .1 . .Casio. . . CDP230
. .1 . .Casio. . . PX359
. .1 . .Casio. . . PX3S
. .1 . .Casio. . . PX560
. .1 . .Casio. . . PX575
. .1 . .Casio. . . PX700
. .1 . .Casio. . . PX870
. .1 . .Casio. . . PXA100RD
. .1 . .Casio. . . PXS1000
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CA13
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CA15
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CA61
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CA78 R
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CL25
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CN21
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CN32
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CN4
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CP136
. .1 . .Kawai. . . CP205
. .1 . .Kawai. . . E7
. .1 . .Kawai. . . KDP80
. .1 . .Kawai. . . KDP90
. .1 . .Kawai. . . MPIISE
. .1 . .Korg . . . C320
. .1 . .Korg . . . G1 Air
. .1 . .Korg . . . Havian 30
. .1 . .Korg . . . Kronos 88
. .1 . .Korg . . . Kross 88
. .1 . .Korg . . . SP200
. .1 . .Korg . . . SP250
. .1 . .Nord . . . HA88
. .1 . .Nord . . . NP88
. .1 . .Nord . . . Piano 2
. .1 . .Nord . . . Piano 3
. .1 . .Nord . . . Piano 88
. .1 . .Nord . . . Stage 2 HA88
. .1 . .Roland . . 700NX
. .1 . .Roland . . CPF130
. .1 . .Roland . . DP90SE
. .1 . .Roland . . DP970
. .1 . .Roland . . DP990SB
. .1 . .Roland . . F120
. .1 . .Roland . . F140
. .1 . .Roland . . F20
. .1 . .Roland . . FA08
. .1 . .Roland . . FP5
. .1 . .Roland . . FP50
. .1 . .Roland . . FP60
. .1 . .Roland . . FP80
. .1 . .Roland . . HP102
. .1 . .Roland . . HP107
. .1 . .Roland . . HP204
. .1 . .Roland . . HPi50e
. .1 . .Roland . . Juno DS61
. .1 . .Roland . . KR105
. .1 . .Roland . . KR115
. .1 . .Roland . . KR117
. .1 . .Roland . . KR7
. .1 . .Roland . . LX10
. .1 . .Roland . . LX15
. .1 . .Roland . . LX705
. .1 . .Roland . . RD300NX
. .1 . .Roland . . RG3
. .1 . .Roland . . RP301
. .1 . .Roland . . RP401
. .1 . .Roland . . V Grand
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CGP1000
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLP465
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLP470
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLP480
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLP525
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLP565
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLP575
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLP635
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLPS306
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CLPS308
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CSP150
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CSP170
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CVP303
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CVP307
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CVP309
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CVP403
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CVP509
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CVP601
. .1 . .Yamaha . . CVP709
. .1 . .Yamaha . . DGX660
. .1 . .Yamaha . . MOX8
. .1 . .Yamaha . . MOXF6
. .1 . .Yamaha . . MOXF8
. .1 . .Yamaha . . N100
. .1 . .Yamaha . . NP31
. .1 . .Yamaha . . P115
. .1 . .Yamaha . . P125
. .1 . .Yamaha . . P90
. .1 . .Yamaha . . PF1000
. .1 . .Yamaha . . PF500
. .1 . .Yamaha . . S90
. .1 . .Yamaha . . XS8
. .1 . .Yamaha . . YDP163
. .1 . .Yamaha . . YDP181
. .1 . .Yamaha . . YDPV240
. .1 . .Yamaha . . YPG235
. .1 . .Yamaha . . YPG535
. .1 . .Yamaha . . YPT340

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Re: Piano count [Re: MacMacMac] #2870165
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This is great work MacMacMac!

I'm surprised there aren't more of the current Rolands. The same with the Kawai NV10, and the MP11/SE for that matter.

13 N1Xs is a very respectable figure indeed. One short of the VPC-1.

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The list shows about 1300 pianos ... since its inception in 2006.
But surely more than 1300 pianos were purchased over the last 13 years.

So is the list representative of piano sales?
Do Roland buyers under-report in that prices paid thread?
Who knows?

Re: Piano count [Re: johnstaf] #2870178
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Originally Posted by johnstaf

13 N1Xs is a very respectable figure indeed. One short of the VPC-1.


The good folks on the N1X thread are actually keeping track. I think at last count they were up to 20? So some people clearly are not reporting to the thread.

JoBert was also counting owners on the NV10 thread. I don't recall what the tally was there but I think maybe 30-40 (I may be grossly misremembering)? So maybe Kawai owners are even less likely to report!


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Originally Posted by MacMacMac

Do Roland buyers under-report in that prices paid thread?


I've been wondering about these cagey Roland owners... We really aren't seeing much about the LX-7xx series on this board. What with their new modeling engine (which imo sounds perfect good compared to Supernatural) and all.... We have constant threads here about how Yamaha, Kawai and Casio sounds compare, threads about Pianoteq and sampled VSTs. But it doesn't seem like Roland is as much in these conversations.... Maybe they're all hiding?

They just seem like very nice instruments so I'd love to see and hear more about them here.


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Also, the Rolands are hard to find around here. I've visited a piano shop full of Kawais.
And a Sam Ash will LOTS of Yamahas and Kawais. But I don't remember seeing a single Roland.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
Also, the Rolands are hard to find around here. I've visited a piano shop full of Kawais.
And a Sam Ash will LOTS of Yamahas and Kawais. But I don't remember seeing a single Roland.

Perhaps if I continue my refrain on how awful the Roland customer service is (in the US at least), someone that matters at Roland will hear...


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Originally Posted by johnstaf
I'm surprised there aren't more of the current Rolands. The same with the Kawai NV10, and the MP11/SE for that matter.

13 N1Xs is a very respectable figure indeed. One short of the VPC-1.

Originally Posted by Gombessa
The good folks on the N1X thread are actually keeping track. I think at last count they were up to 20? So some people clearly are not reporting to the thread.

JoBert was also counting owners on the NV10 thread. I don't recall what the tally was there but I think maybe 30-40 (I may be grossly misremembering)? So maybe Kawai owners are even less likely to report!

The NV10 count is currently at 46 (of owners who have posted in the "NV10 hands on" thread). Almost 7 times the number that were reported in the prices thread. Which goes to show how unreliable these numbers from the prices thread are. It's a fun exercise to calculate these numbers, but one probably shouldn't base any decisions on them.

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Originally Posted by MacMacMac
The list shows about 1300 pianos ... since its inception in 2006.
But surely more than 1300 pianos were purchased over the last 13 years.

So is the list representative of piano sales?
Do Roland buyers under-report in that prices paid thread?
Who knows?


The list is representative of the people who use Pianoworld.
They're a strange lot and can no way be representing a normal, sensible cross section of piano buyers!


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I've owned the top piano in this list, the Kawai CA63. I think it was very popular at the time mainly because of tempting features such as the wooden action and one of the best sampled engines at that time. As I have said many times, it was rather a let down since I never managed to love it and have had much better connection with the MP6 and the ES7 that replaced it, both with the "lesser" RH-action.


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