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Digital Piano Headphones
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What headphones do you guys use for your DPs?

Mine came with a pair of Audio Technica ATH M50x, which are very popular on the market. However, after watching some reviews, I learnt that the sound isn't completely flat, but rather bassy, which is meant to give a singer a better understanding of how his/her voice will sound like after editing/mixing(?).
Does that mean they're not great for piano use?

I also own a pair of Sennheiser HD 280 Pros, which came with my digital drumkit (Alesis Surge Mesh), and I'm wondering if I should swap their headsets. The drums wouldn't suffer from the boomier sound of the Audio Technicas (it might even benefit of it), but that's all riding on wether the Sennheisers have a flatter/better sound for piano use.

Also, both these headsets ars about $100 to $150. What headphones and in which price range do you use/own/would you prefer?

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There are so many threads about headphones... And there’s no consensus smile But at least it seems people gravitate towards open-back headphones and that’s my recommendation too. I personally use Sennheiser HD650 and HD595.

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I use Grado Great Sound but very uncomfortable.

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As mentioned in another thread it is laughable to refer to headphones as "digital". It is nonsensical false marketing in the sense that line-outs and headphone outs are completely analogue in nature. If you mean "digital piano" headphones rather than "digital" piano headphones then forget what I just said!

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Has anyone tried Philips Fidelio X2HR headphones with a digital piano? Reviews seem to be very positive but somewhat scarce. These dropped to $150 today on Amazon, but possibly not for long.

My favorite stereo system is a $50 Philips I bought at Wal-Mart about 15 years ago. Very neutral and balanced sound to my ears. Makes me wonder if I should give the Philips headphones a go.

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Originally Posted by Romar
What headphones and in which price range do you use/own/would you prefer?


I use a Focal Clear Professional (1500€) or a DT-880 (160€) depending on mood.
My ATH-M50 are for outdoor use only where closed back is mandatory, I generally prefer open back HPs.


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Has anyone tried Philips Fidelio X2HR headphones with a digital piano? Reviews seem to be very positive but somewhat scarce. These dropped to $150 today on Amazon, but possibly not for long.

My favorite stereo system is a $50 Philips I bought at Wal-Mart about 15 years ago. Very neutral and balanced sound to my ears. Makes me wonder if I should give the Philips headphones a go.


I have those. Although not the HR I think, but they are identical to the non HR if I’m not mistaken.

I think the headphones are great. I have only tried them when I owned the CA98 though, not with Yamaha.

I really think the X2s beat most if not all of what I’ve tried if not only limiting the experience to digital piano. I used a pair of Audio Technica for a while, these had the most clarity and was excellent, on par or even better than the X2s for digital piano playing. The X2s are more comfy though, and I prefer them when listening to anything else.

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i bought a pair of Senn HD280's about 12 years ago, and I use them for _everything_. They're certainly OK for _my_ ears, and _my_ DP (which runs Pianoteq usually).

Don't be bound by other people's opinions about whether closed-back or open-back phones are "better". They're different. Some prefer one, some the other.

Don't ask _us_ about the HD280's --

. . . Try them on your DP, and decide if _you_ like them better than the ATH-M50x's.

That's all that counts.


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Originally Posted by Romar
What headphones do you guys use for your DPs?

Mine came with a pair of Audio Technica ATH M50x, which are very popular on the market. However, after watching some reviews, I learnt that the sound isn't completely flat, but rather bassy, which is meant to give a singer a better understanding of how his/her voice will sound like after editing/mixing(?).
Does that mean they're not great for piano use?

I also own a pair of Sennheiser HD 280 Pros, which came with my digital drumkit (Alesis Surge Mesh), and I'm wondering if I should swap their headsets. The drums wouldn't suffer from the boomier sound of the Audio Technicas (it might even benefit of it), but that's all riding on wether the Sennheisers have a flatter/better sound for piano use.

Also, both these headsets ars about $100 to $150. What headphones and in which price range do you use/own/would you prefer?


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Any recommendation for a $100-ish pair of headphones that will produce quality sound on an NU1x? Or is that even a realistic price range?

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You can indeed do well for $100, or a bit more.

I had Beyerdynamic DTX-900 phones for many years ... for $99. (But these are discontinued, replaced with the DTX-990 for around the same price.)

I replaced them last year with Sennheiser HD579 phones at around $150. But I see that these are discontinued.

The Sennheiser HD599 phones are largely the same, now at around $150.

The Sennheiser HD280 phones go for $100, but they're closed-back and I didn't like the sound nor the discomfort.

The Beyerdynamic DT770 are now down to $135. Very comfortable. I was tempted last year when they were at $179, but I opted for the Sennheiser HD579 instead.

The AKG K240 phones come highly recommended. They were a topic of MUCH discussion here a few years back. Only $69. (I've never tried them, so no comment.)

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The large round DT-770 and DT-880 were the most comfortable headphones I’ve had. However the former are a bit bassy whereas the latter were slightly boring. K240 are not bad especially for the price but as I said the Chinese manufactured ones have varying quality. Those I tested were cr*p compared to Austrian ones. Could be just a bad pair. But I’ve had comfort issues. The Sennheisers are not the cheapest headphones but the HD59X series are great middle ground headphones that are also very comfortable. I’ve had a pair of Superlux HD681 EVO which were awesome and just €30 although not very comfortable. I sold them and recently I got another pair as a present with one of my purchases and that second pair is not good. Unfortunately there’s a varying quality with Superlux. I’ve read somewhere Superlux produce the drivers for AKG headphones.


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Thanks for the recommendations, MacMacMac! Looking at the DTX-990, it appears there are multiple options for impedence (80 vs 250 ohm) ... and after reading through a number of threads here, I still don't think I understand what the impact of that is for the purpose of a DP ... any thoughts?

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For most purposes you'll be better off with lower impedance. Choose the 80 ohm version rather than the 250.
By the way ... don't confuse the DTX-series with the DT-series from Beyerdynamic. Most people here talk about the DT-series.

Finally ... if you want a REAL digital piano headphone, here it is ...
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Thanks! That was super helpful ... and gave me good laugh!

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I have used several headphones, AKG 701/Quincy Jones version, the AKG 240 mkii, Sennheiser HD650 and 599, Grados also. Personally i prefer the 701. The medium is great and the treble is very smooth. The bass is not too present which is good if you use them for a long time. Plus they are by far the most comfortable. I like the 240 too. They would have more presence in the bass and overall not quite as refined as the 701 but for the price they are really excellent and quite comfy. The 599 are really good overall headphones and also very comfortable. The sound is both slightly emphasized in the mid bass and the mids are slighly less present. The HD 650 are the one I use for my hifi with my tube preamp and i love their full sound (with custom cardas cable) but it is a bit too much for the piano and they tend to press against the head after a while. Anyway all these are full open back. If you are on a budget the best buy is the 240.

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Another possibility:

Shure SE215 earbuds are around $100. They are _slightly_ bass-heavy, but I haven't noticed it. IMHO (really humble, on these questions) they sound similar to Senn HD280's.

. . . but you can't put a pair of HD280's in your pocket.

And the SE215's are like "closed-back" headphones -- to get good bass, you'll need a good seal with your ear, and external sounds will be sharply reduced.


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I have the open back Sennheiser HD 6XX and highly recommend them.


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Originally Posted by CyberGene
The large round DT-770 and DT-880 were the most comfortable headphones I’ve had. However the former are a bit bassy whereas the latter were slightly boring.

And that, ladies and gentlemen, is the assessment you get when you release a HP as close to neutral as you can.
"A bit boring" because nothing really stands out and grabs your attention. laugh


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I'm not sure I'd call these "neutral" ...

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